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To: central_va
Trying to re write history to fit current political dogmas is equally wrong when it is done by the Left or the Right.

This is an argument that you cannot win since the truth is wholly on the other side.

To continue mindlessly smashing your heads against an uncomfortable truth does neither yourself, nor the cause, any good. It merely make the current cause of State Sovereignty and the 10th Amendment look like the current outpost for the extreme lunatic fringe to average voters.

Quit trying to hijack the current political movement to validate your ignorant emotion based ideas about US History.

58 posted on 05/18/2010 4:51:02 AM PDT by MNJohnnie (The problem with Socialism is eventually you run our of other peoples money. Lady Thatcher)
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To: MNJohnnie
Are you crazy? The Colonial Confederation begat the US Constitution which limited the Federal Govt. in scope and power. largely it's (Federal) concern was fighting the War with Great Britain and form alliances. The USC was largely written by slave owning patriots BTW. Secession is not in the Constitution, it is silent on the matter.

So,from 1787 to 1860, we went from a republic designed based on a loose Confederation of States to an empire created by your hero Lincoln. Bravo. I guess you run with the Geo. Washington was just a slave owing rich whitie crowd too.

If you think I will EVER TAKE ADVICE from YOU. FORGET IT!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

Let's end with a quote from your GOD - Lincoln

I will say then that I am not, nor ever have been, in favor of bringing about in any way the social and political equality of the white and black races - that I am not, nor ever have been, in favor of making voters or jurors of Negroes, nor of qualifying them to hold office, nor to intermarry with white people; and I will say in addition to this that there is a physical difference between the white and black races which I believe forever forbid the two races living together on terms of social and political equality. And in as much as they cannot so live, while they do remain together there must be the position of superior and inferior, and I as much as any other man am in favor of having the superior position assigned to the white race.[16]

                    -- Honest Abe

I guess there isn't room in the Temple to chisel that bute of a quote!

60 posted on 05/18/2010 5:03:18 AM PDT by central_va ( http://www.15thvirginia.org)
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To: MNJohnnie
It was not “State Rights” that lead a SC Congressmen to beat a Massachusetts Senator to the edge of death on the Senate floor.

The Massachusetts Senator had considerably overstepped the bounds of deceny in calling another Senator a whore-mongor on the floor of the Senate. Issues of honor were taken seriously at the time, we were still in the generation of our leaders who fought duels. I do see a parallel with today. The left not only disagrees with the right, they take extreme pleasure in mocking us. They count on our infinite patience with their adolescent toilet language. They count on someone or something to protect them from those the mock: annonymity, the distance of the internet, conventions of society, the police.

See the rude, profane and mocking video aimed at Dick Army above. What they do not understand, in doing so, is that not all of us are bound by their unstated code, that some still cling to older codes.

I imagine that a caining or two, in some form, will proceed our next Civil War, for much the same reasons that it preceeded the last one.

76 posted on 05/18/2010 7:36:04 AM PDT by Jack Black ( Whatever is left of American patriotism is now identical with counter-revolution.)
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