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BP Official Admits to Damage BENEATH THE SEA FLOOR
washingtonsblog.com ^ | Saturday, June 12, 2010

Posted on 06/13/2010 6:39:37 PM PDT by GonzoII

As I noted Tuesday, there is growing evidence that BP's oil well - technically called the "well casing" or "well bore" - has suffered damage beneath the level of the sea floor.

The evidence is growing stronger and stronger that there is substantial damage beneath the sea floor. Indeed, it appears that BP officials themselves have admitted to such damage. This has enormous impacts on both the amount of oil leaking into the Gulf, and the prospects for quickly stopping the leak this summer.

On May 31st, the Washington Post noted:

Sources at two companies involved with the well said that BP also discovered new damage inside the well below the seafloor and that, as a result, some of the drilling mud that was successfully forced into the well was going off to the side into rock formations.

"We discovered things that were broken in the sub-surface," said a BP official who spoke on the condition of anonymity. He said that mud was making it "out to the side, into the formation."

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1 posted on 06/13/2010 6:39:37 PM PDT by GonzoII
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I believe this means you cannot cap this well. If you do the oil will come up through the seafloor.


2 posted on 06/13/2010 6:41:57 PM PDT by driftdiver (I could eat it raw, but why do that when I have a fire.)
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To: GonzoII

Call: Fe Fi Fo-Fe Fi Fo Fo (zero’s cell phone) he’ll know what to do.


3 posted on 06/13/2010 6:42:12 PM PDT by annieokie
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To: GonzoII

Oh S*it, not good, not good at all. That means the current fix will eventually fail completely due to under sea erosion below the riser and BOP. Now I’m really worried.


4 posted on 06/13/2010 6:43:40 PM PDT by seeker41 (CULPRIT CHINESE COMPANY INFO.)
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To: GonzoII

Deepwater Oil Spill - A Longer Term Problem

OK let's get real about the GOM oil flow. There doesn't really seem to be much info on TOD that furthers more complete understanding of what's really happening in the GOM.

As you have probably seen and maybe feel yourselves, there are several things that do not appear to make sense regarding the actions of attack against the well. Don't feel bad, there is much that doesn't make sense even to professionals unless you take into account some important variables that we are not being told about. There seems to me to be a reluctance to face what cannot be termed anything less than grim circumstances in my opinion. There certainly is a reluctance to inform us regular people and all we have really gotten is a few dots here and there...

First of all...set aside all your thoughts of plugging the well and stopping it from blowing out oil using any method from the top down. Plugs, big valves to just shut it off, pinching the pipe closed, installing a new bop or lmrp, shooting any epoxy in it, top kills with mud etc etc etc....forget that, it won't be happening..it's done and over. In fact actually opening up the well at the subsea source and allowing it to gush more is not only exactly what has happened, it was probably necessary, or so they think anyway.

So you have to ask WHY? Why make it worse?...there really can only be one answer and that answer does not bode well for all of us. It's really an inescapable conclusion at this point, unless you want to believe that every Oil and Gas professional involved suddenly just forgot everything they know or woke up one morning and drank a few big cups of stupid and got assigned to directing the response to this catastrophe. Nothing makes sense unless you take this into account, but after you do...you will see the "sense" behind what has happened and what is happening. That conclusion is this:

The well bore structure is compromised "Down hole".

That is something which is a "Worst nightmare" conclusion to reach. While many have been saying this for some time as with any complex disaster of this proportion many have "said" a lot of things with no real sound reasons or evidence for jumping to such conclusions, well this time it appears that they may have jumped into the right place...

TOP KILL - FAILS:

This was probably our best and only chance to kill this well from the top down. This "kill mud" is a tried and true method of killing wells and usually has a very good chance of success. The depth of this well presented some logistical challenges, but it really should not of presented any functional obstructions. The pumping capacity was there and it would have worked, should have worked, but it didn't.

It didn't work, but it did create evidence of what is really happening. First of all the method used in this particular top kill made no sense, did not follow the standard operating procedure used to kill many other wells and in fact for the most part was completely contrary to the procedure which would have given it any real chance of working.

When a well is "Killed" using this method heavy drill fluid "Mud" is pumped at high volume and pressure into a leaking well. The leaks are "behind" the point of access where the mud is fired in, in this case the "choke and Kill lines" which are at the very bottom of the BOP (Blow Out Preventer) The heavy fluid gathers in the "behind" portion of the leaking well assembly, while some will leak out, it very quickly overtakes the flow of oil and only the heavier mud will leak out. Once that "solid" flow of mud is established at the leak "behind" the well, the mud pumps increase pressure and begin to overtake the pressure of the oil deposit. The mud is established in a solid column that is driven downward by the now stronger pumps. The heavy mud will create a solid column that is so heavy that the oil deposit can no longer push it up, shut off the pumps...the well is killed...it can no longer flow.

Usually this will happen fairly quickly, in fact for it to work at all...it must happen quickly. There is no "trickle some mud in" because that is not how a top kill works. The flowing oil will just flush out the trickle and a solid column will never be established. Yet what we were told was "It will take days to know whether it worked"...."Top kill might take 48 hours to complete"...the only way it could take days is if BP intended to do some "test fires" to test integrity of the entire system. The actual "kill" can only take hours by nature because it must happen fairly rapidly. It also increases strain on the "behind" portion and in this instance we all know that what remained was fragile at best.

Early that afternoon we saw a massive flow burst out of the riser "plume" area. This was the first test fire of high pressure mud injection. Later on same day we saw a greatly increased flow out of the kink leaks, this was mostly mud at that time as the kill mud is tanish color due to the high amount of Barite which is added to it to weight it and Barite is a white powder.

We later learned the pumping was shut down at midnight, we weren't told about that until almost 16 hours later, but by then...I'm sure BP had learned the worst. The mud they were pumping in was not only leaking out the "behind" leaks...it was leaking out of someplace forward...and since they were not even near being able to pump mud into the deposit itself, because the well would be dead long before...and the oil was still coming up, there could only be one conclusion...the wells casings were ruptured and it was leaking "down hole"

They tried the "Junk shot"...the "bridging materials" which also failed and likely made things worse in regards to the ruptured well casings.

"Despite successfully pumping a total of over 30,000 barrels of heavy mud, in three attempts at rates of up to 80 barrels a minute, and deploying a wide range of different bridging materials, the operation did not overcome the flow from the well."

http://www.bp.com/genericarticle.do?categoryId=2012968&contentId=7062487

80 Barrels per minute is over 200,000 gallons per hour, over 115,000 barrels per day...did we seen an increase over and above what was already leaking out of 115k bpd?....we did not...it would have been a massive increase in order of multiples and this did not happen.

"The whole purpose is to get the kill mud down,” said Wells. “We'll have 50,000 barrels of mud on hand to kill this well. It's far more than necessary, but we always like to have backup."

Try finding THAT quote around...it's been scrubbed...here's a cached copy of a quote...

"The "top kill" effort, launched Wednesday afternoon by industry and government engineers, had pumped enough drilling fluid to block oil and gas spewing from the well, Allen said. The pressure from the well was very low, he said, but persisting."

"Allen said one ship that was pumping fluid into the well had run out of the fluid, or "mud," and that a second ship was on the way. He said he was encouraged by the progress."

http://www.houmatoday.com/article/20100527/ARTICLES/100529348

Later we found out that Allen had no idea what was really going on and had been "Unavailable all day"

So what we had was BP running out of 50,000 barrels of mud in a very short period of time. An amount far and above what they deemed necessary to kill the well. Shutting down pumping 16 hours before telling anyone, including the president. We were never really given a clear reason why "Top Kill" failed, just that it couldn't overcome the well.

There is only one article anywhere that says anything else about it at this time of writing...and it's a relatively obscure article from the wall street journal "online" citing an unnamed source.


WASHINGTON—BP PLC has concluded that its "top-kill" attempt last week to seal its broken well in the Gulf of Mexico may have failed due to a malfunctioning disk inside the well about 1,000 feet below the ocean floor.

The disk, part of the subsea safety infrastructure, may have ruptured during the surge of oil and gas up the well on April 20 that led to the explosion aboard the Deepwater Horizon rig, BP officials said. The rig sank two days later, triggering a leak that has since become the worst in U.S. history.

The broken disk may have prevented the heavy drilling mud injected into the well last week from getting far enough down the well to overcome the pressure from the escaping oil and gas, people familiar with BP's findings said. They said much of the drilling mud may also have escaped from the well into the rock formation outside the wellbore.

As a result, BP wasn't able to get sufficient pressure to keep the oil and gas at bay. If they had been able to build up sufficient pressure, the company had hoped to pump in cement and seal off the well. The effort was deemed a failure on Saturday.

BP started the top-kill effort Wednesday afternoon, shooting heavy drilling fluids into the broken valve known as a blowout preventer. The mud was driven by a 30,000 horsepower pump installed on a ship at the surface. But it was clear from the start that a lot of the "kill mud" was leaking out instead of going down into the well.

http://online.wsj.com/article/SB10001424052748704875604575280133577164268.html


There are some inconsistencies with this article.

There are no "Disks" or "Subsea safety structure" 1,000 feet below the sea floor, all that is there is well bore. There is nothing that can allow the mud or oil to "escape" into the rock formation outside the well bore except the well, because it is the only thing there.

All the actions and few tid bits of information all lead to one inescapable conclusion. The well pipes below the sea floor are broken and leaking. Now you have some real data of how BP's actions are evidence of that, as well as some murky statement from "BP officials" confirming the same.

I took some time to go into a bit of detail concerning the failure of Top Kill because this was a significant event. To those of us outside the real inside loop, yet still fairly knowledgeable, it was a major confirmation of what many feared. That the system below the sea floor has serious failures of varying magnitude in the complicated chain, and it is breaking down and it will continue to.

What does this mean?

It means they will never cap the gusher after the wellhead. They cannot...the more they try and restrict the oil gushing out the bop?...the more it will transfer to the leaks below. Just like a leaky garden hose with a nozzle on it. When you open up the nozzle?...it doesn't leak so bad, you close the nozzle?...it leaks real bad, same dynamics. It is why they sawed the riser off...or tried to anyway...but they clipped it off, to relieve pressure on the leaks "down hole". I'm sure there was a bit of panic time after they crimp/pinched off the large riser pipe and the Diamond wire saw got stuck and failed...because that crimp diverted pressure and flow to the rupture down below.

Contrary to what most of us would think as logical to stop the oil mess, actually opening up the gushing well and making it gush more became direction BP took after confirming that there was a leak. In fact if you note their actions, that should become clear. They have shifted from stopping or restricting the gusher to opening it up and catching it. This only makes sense if they want to relieve pressure at the leak hidden down below the seabed.....and that sort of leak is one of the most dangerous and potentially damaging kind of leak there could be. It is also inaccessible which compounds our problems. There is no way to stop that leak from above, all they can do is relieve the pressure on it and the only way to do that right now is to open up the nozzle above and gush more oil into the gulf and hopefully catch it, which they have done, they just neglected to tell us why, gee thanks.

A down hole leak is dangerous and damaging for several reasons.

There will be erosion throughout the entire beat up, beat on and beat down remainder of the "system" including that inaccessible leak. The same erosion I spoke about in the first post is still present and has never stopped, cannot be stopped, is impossible to stop and will always be present in and acting on anything that is left which has crude oil "Product" rushing through it. There are abrasives still present, swirling flow will create hot spots of wear and this erosion is relentless and will always be present until eventually it wears away enough material to break it's way out. It will slowly eat the bop away especially at the now pinched off riser head and it will flow more and more. Perhaps BP can outrun or keep up with that out flow with various suckage methods for a period of time, but eventually the well will win that race, just how long that race will be?...no one really knows....However now?...there are other problems that a down hole leak will and must produce that will compound this already bad situation.

This down hole leak will undermine the foundation of the seabed in and around the well area. It also weakens the only thing holding up the massive Blow Out Preventer's immense bulk of 450 tons. In fact?...we are beginning to the results of the well's total integrity beginning to fail due to the undermining being caused by the leaking well bore.

The first layer of the sea floor in the gulf is mostly lose material of sand and silt. It doesn't hold up anything and isn't meant to, what holds the entire subsea system of the Bop in place is the well itself. The very large steel connectors of the initial well head "spud" stabbed in to the sea floor. The Bop literally sits on top of the pipe and never touches the sea bed, it wouldn't do anything in way of support if it did. After several tens of feet the seabed does begin to support the well connection laterally (side to side) you couldn't put a 450 ton piece of machinery on top of a 100' tall pipe "in the air" and subject it to the side loads caused by the ocean currents and expect it not to bend over...unless that pipe was very much larger than the machine itself, which you all can see it is not. The well's piping in comparison is actually very much smaller than the Blow Out Preventer and strong as it may be, it relies on some support from the seabed to function and not literally fall over...and it is now showing signs of doing just that....falling over.

If you have been watching the live feed cams you may have noticed that some of the ROVs are using an inclinometer...and inclinometer is an instrument that measures "Incline" or tilt. The BOP is not supposed to be tilting...and after the riser clip off operation it has begun to...

This is not the only problem that occurs due to erosion of the outer area of the well casings. The way a well casing assembly functions it that it is an assembly of different sized "tubes" that decrease in size as they go down. These tubes have a connection to each other that is not unlike a click or snap together locking action. After a certain length is assembled they are cemented around the ouside to the earth that the more rough drill hole is bored through in the well making process. A very well put together and simply explained process of "How to drill a deep water oil well" is available here.

The well bore casings rely on the support that is created by the cementing phase of well construction. Just like if you have many hands holding a pipe up you could put some weight on the top and the many hands could hold the pipe and the weight on top easily...but if there were no hands gripping and holding the pipe?...all the weight must be held up by the pipe alone. The series of connections between the sections of casings are not designed to hold up the immense weight of the BOP without all the "hands" that the cementing provides and they will eventually buckle and fail when stressed beyond their design limits.

These are clear and present dangers to the battered subsea safety structure (bop and lmrp) which is the only loose cork on this well we have left. The immediate (first 1,000 feet) of well structure that remains is now also undoubtedly compromised. However.....as bad as that is?...it is far from the only possible problems with this very problematic well. There were ongoing troubles with the entire process during the drilling of this well. There were also many comprises made by BP IMO which may have resulted in an overall weakened structure of the entire well system all the way to the bottom plug which is over 12,000 feet deep. Problems with the cementing procedure which was done by Haliburton and was deemed as “was against our best practices.” by a Haliburton employee on April 1st weeks before the well blew out. There is much more and I won't go into detail right now concerning the lower end of the well and the troubles encountered during the whole creation of this well and earlier "Well control" situations that were revieled in various internal BP e-mails. I will add several links to those documents and quotes from them below and for now, address the issues concerning the upper portion of the well and the region of the sea floor.

What is likely to happen now?

Well...none of what is likely to happen is good, in fact...it's about as bad as it gets. I am convinced the erosion and compromising of the entire system is accelerating and attacking more key structural areas of the well, the blow out preventer and surrounding strata holding it all up and together. This is evidenced by the tilt of the blow out preventer and the erosion which has exposed the well head connection. What eventually will happen is that the blow out preventer will literally tip over if they do not run supports to it as the currents push on it. I suspect they will run those supports as cables tied to anchors very soon, if they don't, they are inviting disaster that much sooner.

Eventually even that will be futile as the well casings cannot support the weight of the massive system above with out the cement bond to the earth and that bond is being eroded away. When enough is eroded away the casings will buckle and the BOP will collapse the well. If and when you begin to see oil and gas coming up around the well area from under the BOP? or the area around the well head connection and casing sinking more and more rapidly? ...it won't be too long after that the entire system fails. BP must be aware of this, they are mapping the sea floor sonically and that is not a mere exercise. Our Gov't must be well aware too, they just are not telling us.

All of these things lead to only one place, a fully wide open well bore directly to the oil deposit...after that, it goes into the realm of "the worst things you can think of" The well may come completely apart as the inner liners fail. There is still a very long drill string in the well, that could literally come flying out...as I said...all the worst things you can think of are a possibility, but the very least damaging outcome as bad as it is, is that we are stuck with a wide open gusher blowing out 150,000 barrels a day of raw oil or more. There isn't any "cap dome" or any other suck fixer device on earth that exists or could be built that will stop it from gushing out and doing more and more damage to the gulf. While at the same time also doing more damage to the well, making the chance of halting it with a kill from the bottom up less and less likely to work, which as it stands now?....is the only real chance we have left to stop it all.

It's a race now...a race to drill the relief wells and take our last chance at killing this monster before the whole weakened, wore out, blown out, leaking and failing system gives up it's last gasp in a horrific crescendo.

We are not even 2 months into it, barely half way by even optimistic estimates. The damage done by the leaked oil now is virtually immeasurable already and it will not get better, it can only get worse. No matter how much they can collect, there will still be thousands and thousands of gallons leaking out every minute, every hour of every day. We have 2 months left before the relief wells are even near in position and set up to take a kill shot and that is being optimistic as I said.

Over the next 2 months the mechanical situation also cannot improve, it can only get worse, getting better is an impossibility. While they may make some gains on collecting the leaked oil, the structural situation cannot heal itself. It will continue to erode and flow out more oil and eventually the inevitable collapse which cannot be stopped will happen. It is only a simple matter of who can "get there first"...us or the well.

We can only hope the race against that eventuality is one we can win, but my assessment I am sad to say is that we will not.

The system will collapse or fail substantially before we reach the finish line ahead of the well and the worst is yet to come.

Sorry to bring you that news, I know it is grim, but that is the way I see it....I sincerely hope I am wrong.

We need to prepare for the possibility of this blow out sending more oil into the gulf per week then what we already have now, because that is what a collapse of the system will cause. All the collection efforts that have captured oil will be erased in short order. The magnitude of this disaster will increase exponentially by the time we can do anything to halt it and our odds of actually even being able to halt it will go down.

The magnitude and impact of this disaster will eclipse anything we have known in our life times if the worst or even near worst happens...

We are seeing the puny forces of man vs the awesome forces of nature. We are going to need some luck and a lot of effort to win... and if nature decides we ought to lose, we will....

Reference materials:

On April 1, a job log written by a Halliburton employee, Marvin Volek, warns that BP’s use of cement “was against our best practices.”

An April 18 internal Halliburton memorandum indicates that Halliburton again warned BP about its practices, this time saying that a “severe” gas flow problem would occur if the casings were not centered more carefully.

Around that same time, a BP document shows, company officials chose a type of casing with a greater risk of collapsing.

http://www.nytimes.com/2010/06/06/us/06rig.html?pagewanted=1&sq=at_issue_in_gulf&st=cse&scp=1

Mark Hafle, the BP drilling engineer who wrote plans for well casings and cement seals on the Deepwater Horizon's well, testified that the well had lost thousands of barrels of mud at the bottom. But he said models run onshore showed alterations to the cement program would resolve the issues, and when asked if a cement failure allowed the well to "flow" gas and oil, he wouldn't capitulate.

Hafle said he made several changes to casing designs in the last few days before the well blew, including the addition of the two casing liners that weren't part of the original well design because of problems where the earthen sides of the well were "ballooning." He also worked with Halliburton engineers to design a plan for sealing the well casings with cement.

http://www.nola.com/news/gulf-oil-spill/index.ssf/2010/05/hearings_bp_cementing_engineer.html

Graphic of Fail

Casing Joint

Casing

Kill may take until Christmas

BP Used Riskier Method to Seal Well Before Blast

BP memo test results

Investigation results

The information from BP identifies several new warning signs of problems. According to BP there were three flow indicators from the well before the explosion.

http://energycommerce.house.gov/documents/20100525/Memo.BP.Internal.Investigation.pdf

BP, what we know ...

What could have happened

  1. Before or during the cement job, an influx of hydrocarbon enters the wellbore.

  2. Influx is circulated during cement job to wellhead and BOP.

  3. 9-7/8” casing hanger packoff set and positively tested to 6500 psi.

  4. After 16.5 hours waiting on cement, a negative test performed on wellbore below BOP. (~ 1400 psi differential pressure on 9-7/8” casing hanger packoff and ~ 2350 psi on double valve float collar)

  5. Packoff leaks allowing hydrocarbon to enter wellbore below BOP. 1400 psi shut in pressure observed on drill pipe (no flow or pressure observed on kill line)

  6. Hydrocarbon below BOP is unknowingly circulated to surface while finishing displacing the riser.

  7. As hydrocarbon rises to surface, gas break out of solution further reduces hydrostatic pressure in well. Well begin to flow, BOPs and Emergency Disconnect System (EDS) activated but failed.

  8. Packoff continues to leak allowing further influx from bottom.

http://energycommerce.house.gov/documents/20100512/BP-What.Could.Have.Happened.pdf

Confidential

T/A daily log 4-20

http://energycommerce.house.gov/documents/20100512/TRO-Daily.Drilling.Re...

Cement plug 12,150 ft SCMT logging tool SCMT (Slim Cement Mapping Tool) Schlumberger Partial CBL done.

Schlum CBL tools

Major concerns, well control, bop test.

Energy & commerce links to docs.

Well head on sea floor

Well head on deck of ship

BP's youtube propoganda page, a lot of rarely seen vids here....FWIW

http://www.youtube.com/user/DeepwaterHorizonJIC

http://www.godlikeproductions.com/forum1/message1097505/pg1


I used to cover the energy business (oil, gas and alternative) here in Texas, and the few experts in the oil field -- including geologists, chemists, etc. -- able or willing to even speak of this BP event told me early on that it is likely the entire reserve will bleed out. Unfortunately none of them could say with any certainty just how much oil is in the reserve in question because, for one thing, the oil industry and secrecy have always been synonymous. According to BP data from about five years ago, there are four separate reservoirs containing a total of 2.5 billion barrels (barrels not gallons). One of the reservoirs has 1.5 billion barrels. I saw an earlier post here quoting an Anadarko Petroleum report which set the total amount at 2.3 billion barrels. One New York Times article put it at 2 billion barrels.

If the BP data correctly or honestly identified four separate reservoirs then a bleed-out might gush less than 2 to 2.5 billion barrels unless the walls -- as it were -- fracture or partially collapse. I am hearing the same dark rumors which suggest fracturing and a complete bleed-out are already underway. Rumors also suggest a massive collapse of the Gulf floor itself is in the making. They are just rumors but it is time for geologists or related experts to end their deafening silence and speak to these possibilities.

All oilmen lie about everything. The stories one hears about the extent to which they will protect themselves are all understatements. BP employees are already taking The Fifth before grand juries, and attorneys are laying a path for company executives to make a run for it.

5 posted on 06/13/2010 6:45:07 PM PDT by Star Traveler (Remember to keep the Messiah of Israel in the One-World Government that we look forward to coming)
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To: GonzoII

Gosh, the media should read the discussions on theoildrum.com, as the subsurface issues have been gone over there in a lot of detail when the top kill and junk shots failed.


6 posted on 06/13/2010 6:45:40 PM PDT by kingu (Favorite Sticker: Lost hope, and Obama took my change.)
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To: driftdiver
I believe this means you cannot cap this well. If you do the oil will come up through the seafloor.

So we gotta pump the crap out of it?
7 posted on 06/13/2010 6:46:50 PM PDT by cripplecreek (Remember the River Raisin! (look it up))
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To: GonzoII

Oh my, Obama’s going to open a can of whoopa$$ before this is over.


8 posted on 06/13/2010 6:48:06 PM PDT by The_Media_never_lie
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To: GonzoII

suck it up....


9 posted on 06/13/2010 6:50:07 PM PDT by dalebert
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To: GonzoII

sea floor spreading?


10 posted on 06/13/2010 6:52:48 PM PDT by nolongerademocrat ("Before you ask G-d for something, first thank G-d for what you already have." B'rachot 30b)
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To: GonzoII

If it’s really this bad and BP can’t manage on its own, it may not be a bad idea for other oil companies to volunteer to help BP. I stress the word volunteer.


11 posted on 06/13/2010 6:53:39 PM PDT by libh8er
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To: GonzoII

So I guess this means that anything BP will do is futile until the relief well is done in 3 (4? 5? 6?) months. Good God, what a catastrophe. Pray for our planet.


12 posted on 06/13/2010 6:55:08 PM PDT by LiberConservative
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To: Star Traveler

Amazing and scary post.

I think I got a C in geology at UCLA. Can you explain A) the worst case scenario, and B) what you think would be the BEST possible solution to stop it from happening?

The whole sea floor coming up, billions of BARRELS of oil spilling into the ocean... I am officially freaked out.


13 posted on 06/13/2010 6:55:44 PM PDT by Yaelle
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To: The_Media_never_lie

He’s doing a speech on TV on Tuesday and meeting with the BP execs on Wednesday (finally). Will be interesting to see how he is going to publicly spin this one.

We are so screwed.


14 posted on 06/13/2010 6:55:47 PM PDT by bergmeid (Fumigate Washington NOW)
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To: driftdiver

GonzoII
I believe this means you cannot cap this well. If you do the oil will come up through the seafloor.

-—————It already is.


15 posted on 06/13/2010 6:56:38 PM PDT by Freddd (CNN is down to Three Hundred Thousand viewers. But they worked for it.)
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To: GonzoII

Anything they try to ‘plug the hole’ with will just push the oil and possibly dangerous methane gas out of the side of the pipe casing and make it nearly impossible to contain.


16 posted on 06/13/2010 6:58:11 PM PDT by autumnraine (America how long will you be so deaf aInd dumb to the chariot wheels carrying you to the guillotine?)
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To: driftdiver

Now it makes sense as to why the no fly zone...I have seen drill pipe blow out of a live well...(snubbing operation gone terribly wrong) and it would blow your mind to see miles of pipe blow through the air like string...

BLOW

YOUR

MIND!


17 posted on 06/13/2010 6:58:28 PM PDT by antivenom (OBASTARD must become a "Half Term President" * Impeach the anti-Constitution Bastard!)
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To: Star Traveler

I like the bomb idea


18 posted on 06/13/2010 6:59:39 PM PDT by woofie
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To: The_Media_never_lie

or pop a cap into someone’s a$$


19 posted on 06/13/2010 6:59:59 PM PDT by antivenom (OBASTARD must become a "Half Term President" * Impeach the anti-Constitution Bastard!)
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To: GonzoII

“We discovered things that were broken in the sub-surface,” said a BP official who spoke on the condition of anonymity.

“Screw it! We’ve got bigger problems than a butter shortage.”
Captain Murphy
Sealab 2021


20 posted on 06/13/2010 7:00:23 PM PDT by tumblindice (The plane crashed, the boys went wild. Moral to the whole story? Maybe the adults were clueless too.)
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To: cripplecreek

Drill, baby, drill has never been more correct.


21 posted on 06/13/2010 7:00:28 PM PDT by Paladin2
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To: GonzoII

What they’re NOT saying is that said pressure leaks were caused when the saw blade got stuck as they were prepping for Top Kill.

Picture a leaking hose under pressure. Close the nozzle and the water leaks are worse than when the nozzle is open. The stuck saw blade was the closed nozzle.


22 posted on 06/13/2010 7:02:42 PM PDT by DCPatriot ("It aint what you don't know that kills you. It's what you know that aint so" Theodore Sturgeon))
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To: driftdiver

Relief wells are the only answer and that won’t be until August. They’ll have to divert the oil pressure far below the damaged well section.


23 posted on 06/13/2010 7:04:20 PM PDT by MediaMole
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To: GonzoII
On tonight's news they scooped up a bucket of sand from about four feet deep and it was black sludge. An awful sight to see. I fear the skimming efforts is like scratching the surface of the problem.
24 posted on 06/13/2010 7:04:53 PM PDT by NavyCanDo
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To: DCPatriot

the saw blade did not obstruct the pipe a significant amount. There were reports of this sub-sea floor damage a month before the explosion.


25 posted on 06/13/2010 7:04:57 PM PDT by driftdiver (I could eat it raw, but why do that when I have a fire.)
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To: tumblindice
At times like these I turn to Zap Brannigan for wisdom.

In the game of chess you can never let your adversary see your pieces.
26 posted on 06/13/2010 7:05:12 PM PDT by cripplecreek (Remember the River Raisin! (look it up))
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To: Star Traveler

bookmark


27 posted on 06/13/2010 7:05:57 PM PDT by UCANSEE2 (The Last Boy Scout)
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To: Yaelle

From what I have read, it’s not the oil that is the problem. The problem is that the Gulf Sea Floor has the largest deposit of methane hydrates under the oil deposits. The same methane hydrates underneath the Gulf of Mexico where a crater larger than the Grand Canyon was caused by a meteor and released the methane hydrates that caused the dinosaur extinction.

Not to mention that the oil rig is right smack on top of the New Madrid fault. Imagine that area creating a sinkhole. Lord help us all.


28 posted on 06/13/2010 7:06:56 PM PDT by autumnraine (America how long will you be so deaf aInd dumb to the chariot wheels carrying you to the guillotine?)
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To: Yaelle
I'm not the expert... I only read what is out there ... and this happened to be "out there" (on another FReeper thread) ...

You can go to this FReeper thread and take a look at some of the comments there, too ...

Deepwater Oil Spill - A Longer Term Problem


29 posted on 06/13/2010 7:07:48 PM PDT by Star Traveler (Remember to keep the Messiah of Israel in the One-World Government that we look forward to coming)
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To: driftdiver

“I believe this means you cannot cap this well. If you do the oil will come up through the seafloor.”

Ooooo, this means that the ONLY option will be multiple relief wells and we’ll have to pump out the whole damn thing.

...sounds good to me - but then Obama would rather see the Gulf rot in hell (we are Republicans, after all), than to get one useful barrel out of that mess.


30 posted on 06/13/2010 7:10:33 PM PDT by BobL (The whole point of being human is knowing when the party's over.)
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To: DCPatriot
The stuck saw blade was the closed nozzle.

No it wasn't. The 'saw' was a wire rope covered with diamonds. It was not some big round saw blade as you are describing, and could only have provided an almost immeasurable back pressure.

31 posted on 06/13/2010 7:11:23 PM PDT by UCANSEE2 (The Last Boy Scout)
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To: driftdiver

Yes, but the sudden increase in pressure broke off more debris, causing the fizzier crevices to open wider.

I read it on the internet. ;^)


32 posted on 06/13/2010 7:11:37 PM PDT by DCPatriot ("It aint what you don't know that kills you. It's what you know that aint so" Theodore Sturgeon))
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To: UCANSEE2

I could have sworn I saw a large circular saw blade on one of the video feeds.

I’ll see if I can find it.


33 posted on 06/13/2010 7:14:12 PM PDT by DCPatriot ("It aint what you don't know that kills you. It's what you know that aint so" Theodore Sturgeon))
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To: autumnraine

I wonder if magma movement could have caused the methane hydrates to expand, raising the pressure on the oil field above it?

There were two volcanoes in Guatamala in just the last month. Would they also be a signal of magma movement?


34 posted on 06/13/2010 7:14:19 PM PDT by UCANSEE2 (The Last Boy Scout)
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To: GonzoII

This oil spill is a game changer, folks. This is the real deal.


35 posted on 06/13/2010 7:14:25 PM PDT by chris37
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To: Star Traveler
We later learned the pumping was shut down at midnight, we weren't told about that until almost 16 hours later, but by then...I'm sure BP had learned the worst. The mud they were pumping in was not only leaking out the "behind" leaks...it was leaking out of someplace forward...and since they were not even near being able to pump mud into the deposit itself, because the well would be dead long before...and the oil was still coming up, there could only be one conclusion...the wells casings were ruptured and it was leaking "down hole"

They tried the "Junk shot"...the "bridging materials" which also failed and likely made things worse in regards to the ruptured well casings.

Leading up to " As bad as it can get"??

36 posted on 06/13/2010 7:17:31 PM PDT by GOPJ (http://hisz.rsoe.hu/alertmap/index2.php?area=dam&lang=eng)
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To: NavyCanDo

The use of dispersants may actually be causing more problems than it is solving. It would be better for it to rise to the top, en masse, and be sucked up by ships, than to be separated into tiny glops which ‘disperse’ throughout the various thermoclines in the ocean waters.


37 posted on 06/13/2010 7:17:52 PM PDT by UCANSEE2 (The Last Boy Scout)
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To: libh8er

Not until the governemnt waives all indemity...

The company I work for has been told by internal and external cousel...to stay far away from helping...the federal government is looking to make quick cash via lawsuits.

We have several ideas to share that are propritary...and we won’t share until we are told...we will suffer no consequence if our idea were to fail...if used


38 posted on 06/13/2010 7:18:04 PM PDT by antivenom (OBASTARD must become a "Half Term President" * Impeach the anti-Constitution Bastard!)
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To: DCPatriot

Yes you did. Those saws were what they were using to cut the smaller ‘choke’ lines surrounding the central riser tube.


39 posted on 06/13/2010 7:19:42 PM PDT by UCANSEE2 (The Last Boy Scout)
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To: GOPJ

It sounds like a big disaster to me... and BP or Obama aren’t helping very much.


40 posted on 06/13/2010 7:21:53 PM PDT by Star Traveler (Remember to keep the Messiah of Israel in the One-World Government that we look forward to coming)
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To: MediaMole

unless the relief wells further compromise the defective strata...

relief wells can collapse...especially since they are drilled as deviated wells....over 5 degrees past vertical.

Relief wells can be truly horizontal or anything inbetween...and then when it zeros in on the bad wellbore...it could make it worst...

risky risky business


41 posted on 06/13/2010 7:22:17 PM PDT by antivenom (OBASTARD must become a "Half Term President" * Impeach the anti-Constitution Bastard!)
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To: DCPatriot

yes circular saw blades were used for one project...however the diamond chain was used to make the “clean(er) cut” for the cap...


42 posted on 06/13/2010 7:24:07 PM PDT by antivenom (OBASTARD must become a "Half Term President" * Impeach the anti-Constitution Bastard!)
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To: BobL
this means that the ONLY option will be multiple relief wells and we’ll have to pump out the whole damn thing.

It does seem like that isn't a bad strategy. Just tell every oil company in the world that they can set up shop in that area. It would take time for them to set up, but a couple dozen rigs could probably decrease the current flow substantially.

43 posted on 06/13/2010 7:24:29 PM PDT by ClearCase_guy
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To: Yaelle

imagine a huge meteror hitting in the gulf...around the dinosaur era....

this has happened before...just no recorded history


44 posted on 06/13/2010 7:25:39 PM PDT by antivenom (OBASTARD must become a "Half Term President" * Impeach the anti-Constitution Bastard!)
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To: GonzoII
Yeah, but's it's all Bush's fault! At least that's what the man who "took responsibility" for it says!


45 posted on 06/13/2010 7:25:52 PM PDT by Oceander (The Price of Freedom is Eternal Vigilance -- Thos. Jefferson)
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bfl


46 posted on 06/13/2010 7:26:46 PM PDT by shield (A wise man's heart is at his RIGHT hand;but a fool's heart at his LEFT. Ecc 10:2)
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To: GonzoII
Here's an idea if anyone can get it to someone who take a look at it. This won't fix the undersurface problem but it may help and fix the oil lost at the well head. My idea:

The oil leaking from the well is more than can be stored in surface ships so how bout putting together a floating pipeline from the surface ship to the New Orleans off shore oil port

The port is about 20 miles off the Louisiana coast and handles about 1 million barrels of crude oil a day, or 11 percent of U.S. imports. It consists of mooring buoys, platforms and pipelines.

The port is 20 miles offshore and that leaves about 30 - 40 more miles of floating pipe needed to bridge the gap. The oil could be stored in one of the many underground salt dome storage facilities in Louisiana where it could be processed and later refined.

NOOP can handle a hell of a lot more oil than what is being lost and maybe the well could be opened up even more to relieve some of the back pressure that's causing problems down hole as they call it.

47 posted on 06/13/2010 7:27:40 PM PDT by Errant
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To: Freddd

Worse, their two wells they’re drilling now to pump it out are going into the same fragmented shaft.


48 posted on 06/13/2010 7:27:48 PM PDT by moehoward
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To: LiberConservative
"Pray for our planet."

As far as the planet is concerned this is about as worrisome as a Mosquito bite.

A thousand years from now there won't be any evidence at all of the oil spill unless some archaeologist digs down to discover it.

A 1000 years in relationship to the planet's life is akin to a second of your life.

The planet is fine and would be fine if a thousand such wells blew at the same time.

On the other hand humans and animals will have to tough it out for 4 or 5 years (after the oil leak is stopped)

49 posted on 06/13/2010 7:28:26 PM PDT by Mad Dawgg (If you're going to deny my 1st Amendment rights then I must proceed to the next one...)
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To: antivenom
Obastard -- I like that. It's true, literally. He was born a bastard in some foreign land.
50 posted on 06/13/2010 7:29:14 PM PDT by libh8er
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