Fastest M-4gery in the East (Friday Night Gun Thread)

Travis McGee | June 18, 2010 | Travis McGee

[AAABEST]

Though I would agree that for accuracy, those with the circle type reticle and small MOA dot are more accurate, I (personally) find Aimpoint much faster to get on target than Trij and Eotech. All three companies make superb glass.

A lot depends on personal preference and what the rifle is being used for. For example, if it's not intended to hit anything past 100 meters (CQB, LEO applications etc.) speed is at a higher premium than accuracy, so a 4 MOA dot makes more sense. 1/4 inch one way or the other from center mass won't normally make much difference in a close-in suburban/urban environment.

Another thing I like about the Aimpoint is battery life. It doesn't get any better than 18,000 hours, as is the case with my Comp M3.

[Centurion2000]

It also works well as a tent-stake hammer, canoe paddle and CQB club.

And the bayonet doubles as your tent stake and Kabob skewer ...

[archy]

No lad. You've got it backwards, er, upside-down.

[Eagles6]

No, hadn’t heard of them. Just cheaper knockoffs or are they labeled Leupold?

[archy]

Impressions: the Trijicon is the finest sight I've ever shot on a combat carbine, period. Bar none. Better by far than my EOTech, Aimpoints (4 minute of angle red dots) and various other optical and electronic sights I have used.

Have you ever used an Armson OEG or a Singlepoint? Or a TriLux SUIT?

[gundog]

Not knock-offs. Fraudulent Chinese piracy.

[Eagles6]

Do you know who is selling them so that I can avoid?

[gundog]

They seem to be internet sales, mostly. Probably e-Bay, etc. Wouldn’t hesitate to trust a big outfit like Cabela’s.

[archy]

My recommendation for the deadliest combo? Put a Trijicon on top of your M-4gery, and a muzzle brake/compensator on the front. Then you will be able to attack targets like a damn sewing machine! Who needs full auto, when you can just DRILL a target at 100 yards as fast as you can shoot?

What about the little red button on the bottom of the gun?

[archy]

Great review and commentary. Makes me re-think me long-held doctrine of iron sights only. The idea being, can I throw this rifle on hard ground, pick it back up and still have the same working sight picture? That tends to eliminate most of the optics out there. So, in terms of durability and mounting systems, how do the Trijicon and Eotech products hold up? Given their service history, I’d have to think - pretty darned good.

Sounds like the Elcan C79 sight might be what you're after. The Canadians mount them on their C8 versions of the M4 carbine, and the USMC has been giving them a try on the M240 MG, since lesser units don't hold up well to such use on full-auto beltfeds.

I think the sight would still be usable after the sort of treatment you describe. The rifle might not, but I think the sight would still be in zero.

[archy]

The other bonus was that the Troy Industries chassis ends with the same type of threaded hole the M16/M4 lower receiver does. That means any form of M16 stock, or anything else that can thread in that hole, can be used for a stock.

[stevie_d_64]

Use the Force...It hasn’t failed me yet...;-)

[Squantos]

Agree... Hope yer well Buddy !

[300winmag]

what is your model number??? i like the front hand grip but i can't seem to find that model on their site...

That's a Magpul angle foregrip. For me, they work better than either a horizontal forearm, or a vertical gangsta' grip. I have them on just about any weapon that has a bottom rail.

I find the angle grip lets me adjust my hold more comfortably to accommodate my arthritis and carpal tunnel.

[Chode]

ahhh,so it's just an add on... thx as it looks like a more natural hand position

[Travis McGee]

You mean a laser?

[Travis McGee]

The Aimpoints, EOTechs and Trijicons have all passed military waterproof, dustproof and shockproof tests.

[Travis McGee]

I haven’t seen an Armeson OEG in 20 years at least. Never heard of the Trilux.

[Noumenon]

The Aimpoints, EOTechs and Trijicons have all passed military waterproof, dustproof and shockproof tests.

Now I have to save my nickels and dimes. Might be a while. Sigh.

Also must find a decent mount for an StG 58 FAL.

[Sender]

I have a Zeiss Z-point on my M4gery. It’s small and light and has near-perfect co-witness with the iron sights on my raised-rib upper. My only beef is with the adjustments. It’s a little like adjusting a Volkswagen carburetor; there are no clicks. You have to use a hex key to adjust windage and elevation, and it’s not an easy process. But once you get it dialed in, it stays there. The Z-point automatically adjusts its dot brightness to the available light and it runs off sunlight when it’s available. After reading your review, I’d rather have a Trijicon. But money (is) a thang.