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To: trumandogz

64% of the people of Arizona need to read the Constitution and pay special attention to the 14th Amendment.

“All persons born or naturalized in the United States, and subject to the jurisdiction thereof, are citizens of the United States and of the State wherein they reside.”


No, you are absolutely wrong. “Subject to the jurisdiction thereof,” means the country of which you are a citizen. This is the reason tribal Indians are not considered citizens of the U.S. under the 14th Amendment, they are subject to the primary jurisdiction of their tribes. (An Act of Congress gave most tribal Indians a non-constitutional citizenship right in 1924.)

A Mexican illegal is “subject to the jurisdiction” of Mexico. His children are not citizens of the U.S. If you read the statements of the drafters of the 14th Amendment, they made this clear. This is what the drafter of the 14th Am., Senator Jacob Howard, said about the citizenship clause:

“Every person born within the limits of the United States, and subject to their jurisdiction, is by virtue of natural law and national law a citizen of the United States. This will not, of course, include persons born in the United States who are foreigners, aliens, who belong to the families of ambassadors or foreign ministers accredited to the Government of the United States, but will include every other class of persons. It settles the great question of citizenship and removes all doubt as to what persons are or are not citizens of the United States. This has long been a great desideratum in the jurisprudence and legislation of this country.”

The 14th Amendment is now being interpreted exactly the opposite the way it was intended.


18 posted on 07/05/2010 12:44:37 PM PDT by kaehurowing
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To: kaehurowing; All

Giving citizenship to illegal alien jackpot babies is a modern day perversion of the 14th amendment.

“Every Person born within the limits of the United States, and subject to their jurisdiction, is by virtue of natural law and national law a citizen of the United States. This will not, of course, include persons born in the United States who are foreigners, aliens, who belong to the families of ambassadors or foreign ministers accredited to the Government of the United States, but will include every other class of persons.”

Senator Jacob Howard,
co-author of the citizenship clause of the 14th Amendment, 1866.


19 posted on 07/05/2010 12:50:01 PM PDT by AuntB (Illegal immigration is simply more "share the wealth" socialism and a CRIME not a race!)
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To: kaehurowing; oldbill

Illegal Aliens in the United States are considered to be “under the jurisdiction” of the United States, as well as the state. county/parish and city that they occupy.

Therefore, when an Illegal Alien commits a crime in the United States and is apprehended, he is either deported under the authority of the federal government or prosecuted by an officer of a federal, country/parish or city court.

In addition, every person in the United States, here legally or not, citizen or non citizen is protected by the Bill of Rights.

And I am not quite sure where you guys came under the impression that every Illegal Alien somehow deserves Diplomatic Immunity and thus is not under the jurisdiction of the United States and the state where they reside.

As for me, I will adhere to the principles of Strict Constructionism and not try to twist the words of our Framers.


23 posted on 07/05/2010 1:33:17 PM PDT by trumandogz
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