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Enough is Enough: The Crusades & The Jihad Are Not Equivalents
The American Catholic ^ | 8/26/2010 | Joe Hargrave

Posted on 08/26/2010 7:10:43 PM PDT by markomalley

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1 posted on 08/26/2010 7:10:47 PM PDT by markomalley
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To: markomalley

I always avoid the crusades when I am time traveling.


2 posted on 08/26/2010 7:13:30 PM PDT by Ladycalif ("If you don't have a sword, sell your cloak and buy one." Jesus)
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To: markomalley

Wow! Thanks, this is a great read.


3 posted on 08/26/2010 7:14:26 PM PDT by netmilsmom (I am inyenzi on the Religion Forum)
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To: Ladycalif

Actually, the Crusades were a response to the first Jihad....at least at first.


4 posted on 08/26/2010 7:15:29 PM PDT by DwFry (Baby Boomers Killed Western Civilization!)
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To: Ladycalif

Could you please take me back to 5pm this afternoon before my car got totaled by a hit and run driver?


5 posted on 08/26/2010 7:16:49 PM PDT by netmilsmom (I am inyenzi on the Religion Forum)
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To: markomalley

This time Christian was used throughout the article, I have noticed that Catholic is often used in place of saying Christian, or Christians in Catholic articles.


6 posted on 08/26/2010 7:23:31 PM PDT by ansel12
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To: ansel12

LMAO!


7 posted on 08/26/2010 7:27:53 PM PDT by NoLibZone (Communities regularly fight the construction projects, Walmarts Starbucks and even tree removal.)
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To: markomalley

PRECISELY SO. What’s upon us now is a somewhat belated continuation of the centuries long muslim assault on Christianity and Judiasm.

Thanks for the reminder.


8 posted on 08/26/2010 7:28:14 PM PDT by Dick Bachert (The upcoming election is the most important in our lifetimes!!! BE THERE!!!!!!!)
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To: Ladycalif
This guy has most of the important stuff in it.

Still, most people imagine the events in Spain as being the actual Crusade ~ there they had back and forth warfare for several hundred years ~ but it wasn't unrestricted. The Jews got to be Jews, and the peasantry would be forced to adopt the religion of their prince of the moment ~ whether Moslem or Christian.

Nobles were kind of independent of that and just moved around to whatever principality would pay them the best.

French knights regularly earned their spurs in Spain.

Spain actually developed relatively permanent laws regarding "forced conversions" ~ and one of the last requests by the last Moslem prince was that there be no forced conversions.

His request was, of course, rejected!

Alas, Spain didn't have a crusade, it had the Reconquista. It was interrupted a couple of times by yet more Middle Eastern/North African invaders who sought to enforce a stricter orthodoxy (Sharia law) on the Moslem princes, and that wasn't all that popular with Jews, Christians or Moslems.

9 posted on 08/26/2010 7:28:29 PM PDT by muawiyah
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To: markomalley

Today, now, in this instance, The Knights Templar are to be admired?


10 posted on 08/26/2010 7:29:51 PM PDT by NoLibZone (Communities regularly fight the construction projects, Walmarts Starbucks and even tree removal.)
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To: ansel12
The writer didn't intend to differentiate between the different approaches taken by Roman Catholics and Greek Orthodox Catholics, but he could have.

The piece would be the size of the Oxford English Dictionary!

11 posted on 08/26/2010 7:30:54 PM PDT by muawiyah
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"Crusaders massacred so many men, women and children in parts of Jerusalem that a Christian chronicler, Fulcher of Chartres, described an area ankle-deep in blood."

It was a simpler time back then, with simple rules: surrender the city or face the consequences after a successful siege. The tradition probably went back all the way to the Assyrians.

12 posted on 08/26/2010 7:38:31 PM PDT by Flag_This (Real presidents don't bow.)
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To: markomalley

I didn’t expect this.


13 posted on 08/26/2010 7:46:03 PM PDT by andyk
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To: Ladycalif
I always avoid the crusades when I am time traveling.

What about the ones in the future? Are those avoidable?

14 posted on 08/26/2010 7:55:41 PM PDT by Vince Ferrer
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Today, now, in this instance, The Knights Templar are to be admired?

I would say so, absolutely. I hold the templars in very high regard. They were the Special Forces of their day. They also built the first system of what amounts to "travelers' checques" in the world.

Traveling with money was a very dangerous proposition back then. Thieves were everywhere. But what a traveler could do was to deposit a sum of money with their local Templar office, which in return they would get an encrypted document that could only be decrpyted at another Templar office. They would go on their journey and visit the local Templar office when they got to their destination, present the encrypted document... and get their cash paid out on that end. I don't know, but I would assume that the encrypted document included some kind of description and positive ID of the true owner of the deposit. This made the document useless to anyone but the rightful owner, and let many people travel without having to risk losing all their money to robbers.

Ingenious, that. They invented the travelers' check.

15 posted on 08/26/2010 8:17:46 PM PDT by Ramius (Personally, I give us... one chance in three. More tea?)
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To: Vince Ferrer
What about the ones in the future? Are those avoidable?

Nope. :-)

16 posted on 08/26/2010 8:18:52 PM PDT by Ramius (Personally, I give us... one chance in three. More tea?)
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To: Vince Ferrer

Of course, it is only the present you have to worry about.


17 posted on 08/26/2010 8:48:15 PM PDT by Ladycalif ("If you don't have a sword, sell your cloak and buy one." Jesus)
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To: Ramius

I know all that.

Catholics holding Knights Templar in high esteem is contrary to their history.


18 posted on 08/26/2010 8:49:31 PM PDT by NoLibZone (Communities regularly fight the construction projects, Walmarts Starbucks and even tree removal.)
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To: NoLibZone

Bookmark


19 posted on 08/26/2010 8:51:13 PM PDT by Publius6961 ("In 1964 the War on Poverty Began --- Poverty won.")
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To: muawiyah

Richard the Lion Hearted would roll over in his grave if he could see London today.


20 posted on 08/26/2010 8:54:35 PM PDT by Ladycalif ("If you don't have a sword, sell your cloak and buy one." Jesus)
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