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To: Ditto
Thankfully the Framers saw it differently when the created a Nation of laws under the Constitution. Lincoln did no differently in 1860 than Washington would have done in 1790, nor what any patriot President would do today. That is, preserve the Union under the Constitution.

And what do you think Jefferson would have done?

That to secure these rights, Governments are instituted among Men, deriving their just powers from the consent of the governed, That whenever any Form of Government becomes destructive of these ends, it is the Right of the People to alter or to abolish it, and to institute new Government, laying its foundation on such principles and organizing its powers in such form, as to them shall seem most likely to effect their Safety and Happiness.

BTW, the notion that Washington would have ever raised his hand against Virginia is simply laughable.

49 posted on 09/27/2010 2:15:41 PM PDT by SeeSharp
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To: SeeSharp

While Jefferson had a nasty habit of saying one thing and then doing another, I believe that he would have done the right thing and held our nation together.


52 posted on 09/27/2010 2:18:32 PM PDT by rockrr (Everything is different now)
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To: SeeSharp
That to secure these rights, Governments are instituted among Men, deriving their just powers from the consent of the governed, That whenever any Form of Government becomes destructive of these ends, it is the Right of the People to alter or to abolish it, and to institute new Government, laying its foundation on such principles and organizing its powers in such form, as to them shall seem most likely to effect their Safety and Happiness.

That's called a Revolution. So do you admit that the Confederates were in Rebellion against Intolerable Oppression? What was the Oppression? Where is their Declaration of Independence spelling out their grievances?

BTW, the notion that Washington would have ever raised his hand against Virginia is simply laughable.

Washington was no sentimental fool hung up on some 'heritage' issues like Bobby Lee. He would have kicked ass big time to preserve the nation he sacrificed so much to create. The instigators would not have gotten off as easy as they did under Lincoln and Grant.

69 posted on 09/27/2010 2:34:22 PM PDT by Ditto (Nov 2, 2010 -- Time to Clean House.)
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To: SeeSharp
BTW, the notion that Washington would have ever raised his hand against Virginia is simply laughable.

no doubt...and this notion Sherman as humanitarian is just as laughable...he is lauded for doing things to southerners both black and white that we today court martial our troops for and our media today uses such fodder to tarnish any war we engage in yet Sherman who unlike Grant or say Schofield and Colonel Cox where I now type never really proved his mettle against a serious corps head to head is granted a pass...that is arguably where I really have an issue with NeoYankees here....I'm ambivalent on Lincoln...he's no hero of mine and neither are the even worse radical Republicans (off your knees Glenn) of the day but I do understand some of Lincoln's practical behavior after the war began and his terms would have been better than his peers....ironically Sherman's terms were good too

No question Lincoln fed the Leviathan more than any president we have ever had...amusing to see small government types worship him

my biggest beef is that it was all avoidable...much like WWI...some wars simply did not have to happen...but some do...the next conflict on these shores will be more needed and unimaginably cataclysmic and the seeds go back indeed to that war and it's aftermath

292 posted on 09/28/2010 9:21:16 AM PDT by wardaddy (We are on a roll like I have never seen.)
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