[SeeSharp]

you could frame the issue as statist versus not-so-statist,

What would be the not-so-statist position? Lincoln invaded the South and killed three quarters of a million people in order to prevent the the Southerners from governing themselves. All in the name of some abstract notion of "union" that none of the founders would have recognized or supported. Even Hamilton denied the possibility of any state being forcibly coerced by the central government.

[1rudeboy]

protip: one cannot proceed with an argument by merely ignoring his or her opponent’s postition

[Lurking Libertarian]

Lincoln invaded the South and killed three quarters of a million people in order to prevent the the Southerners from governing themselves.

...in order to prevent the white southerners from governing their slaves.