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A person’s view of Lincoln depends on whether they’re a Northerner or a Southerner.

I think it depends upon how much history one has read. I've never lived south of New York City. That Lincoln essentially destroyed the form of government established by Jefferson, Madison, and the boys, is really beyond doubt.

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“That Lincoln essentially destroyed the form of government established by Jefferson, Madison, and the boys, is really beyond doubt.”

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That Lincoln essentially destroyed the form of government established by Jefferson, Madison, and the boys, is really beyond doubt.

Secession killed the old Republic. Whatever came afterward was going to be different from America before 1860.

Two hostile governments, one slave and one free that would certainly mark a change. You can say that a rump Republic would have continued the Founders' vision, but many people who were alive at the time disagreed. Separation into squabbling nations on the Latin American model would have opened a new chapter in our history.

Did the Civil War really mark a greater change than the closing of the frontier and the transition from an agricultural to an industrial society?

Obviously Emancipation was a major change in American society, but a deeper break came with the Founders system came with the Progressive Movement and the graduated income tax.

Could the aristocratic Republic of the Founders really have endured? Didn't Jacksonian Democracy represent the beginning of the end and industrialization the final knell for that vision?

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That Lincoln essentially destroyed the form of government established by Jefferson, Madison, and the boys, is really beyond doubt.

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