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ObamaCare Rationing Begins
IBD Editorials ^ | December 22, 2010 | Staff

Posted on 12/22/2010 6:12:55 PM PST by Kaslin

Medicine: The FDA has reversed its approval of a widely used cancer drug approved in Europe to treat breast cancer on the grounds it doesn't provide a "sufficient" benefit. Let the terminally ill and their doctors decide.

One of the blessings of blocking the omnibus spending bill was that it included $1 billion for the implementation of ObamaCare.

Yet the first effects are still being felt, the latest being the Food and Drug Administration's revoking of regulatory approval of Avastin to treat late-stage breast cancer.

The reason given by the FDA was that the drug does not provide "a sufficient benefit in slowing disease progression to outweigh the significant risk to patients." What risk? These women are dying.

The drug buys them precious time, and the only risk they face is from an FDA saying "pull the plug."

On the same day the FDA channeled Dr. Kevorkian, its European counterpart, the European Medicines Agency, issued a statement approving Avastin for metastatic breast cancer.

Benefits of the drug, it said, "continue to outweigh the risks, because the available data have overwhelmingly shown to prolong progression-free survival of breast cancer patients without a negative effect on the overall survival."

So what say you, FDA? An agency overseeing the cost-conscious, government-run health care systems in the European Union says Avastin does provide sufficient benefit at little risk to the patient.

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KEYWORDS: berwick; breastcancer; cancer; deathpanels; fda; medicine; obama; obamacare; rationing

1 posted on 12/22/2010 6:12:59 PM PST by Kaslin
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To: Kaslin
Breast carcinoma was a very curable disease until RomneyCARE and ObamaCARE.

Note who is hurt the worst.

2 posted on 12/22/2010 6:16:53 PM PST by Diogenesis (Si vis pacem, para bellum)
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To: Kaslin

Sebelius To HMOs: If You Raise Rates 10% You Will Answer To Me
http://www.freerepublic.com/focus/f-bloggers/2646461/posts


3 posted on 12/22/2010 6:18:59 PM PST by 2ndDivisionVet ("You don't have a soul. You are a Soul. You have a body." CS Lewis)
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To: Kaslin

The silent rationing began a year ago when they passed the d*mn thing. Since then the insurance companies have been tightening they approvals on claims as they look toward the new-costs freight train bearing down on them. I’ve already been a victim of this. Obamcare is here and it sucks.


4 posted on 12/22/2010 6:27:57 PM PST by ElkGroveDan (He's not the Messiah, he's a very naughty boy!)
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To: Kaslin
This is nothing compared to what's coming in the next 20 - 25 years, when a very large part of the US population are in their mid-80s, and the medical and entitlement costs will be astronomical. There will no shortage of “humane” ways for people who have already lived full lives, to do the right thing, put their affairs in order, say good bye to their children, grandchildren, great-granhchildren and take a needle, “for the good of the country”. And the media will bombard the old people with endless messages about how honorable it will be, how they will be helping the next generation by savings costs and lowering their taxes, make it sound like it's almost a duty to end your life when you are so old, and you are now a burden. And the same idiots who do whatever the media tells them now, will be lining to "do the right thing". And those who refuse to shorten their life, for the good of the country, they will be denied expensive medical care that would only prolong the inevitable.. They will receive care to manage the pain, but expensive care will be denied. How can we expect anything else in a society that places very little value on a human being. If it's okay to kill a human being inside a women, before it's even had a chance to live, how much easier it will be to kill someone who is 85 years old, had a full life and now is a burden on society.
5 posted on 12/22/2010 6:35:27 PM PST by Beatthedrum
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To: ElkGroveDan
Obamcare is here and it sucks.

By the grace of God we WILL get rid of it and him as well in 2 years.

6 posted on 12/22/2010 6:39:31 PM PST by unixfox (Abolish Slavery, Repeal The 16th Amendment!)
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To: ElkGroveDan

Yep. And when all the people who have not bought health insurance get cancer and suddenly decide that they need it start demanding the insurance companies sell them a policy, the rates will go MUCH higher.


7 posted on 12/22/2010 6:52:30 PM PST by Blood of Tyrants (Islam is the religion of Satan and Mohammed was his minion.)
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To: Kaslin
Yeah, I'll be flamed!

As the husband of a vivacious 59 year old wife who recently had MD Anderson Cancer Center, Houston, electively, remove both of her breasts, after she had two surgeries to remove her cancerous thyroid, and a recurrence of breast cancer; I believe that I'm able to weigh in on this subject.

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.............The reason given by the FDA was that the drug does not provide “a sufficient benefit in slowing disease progression to outweigh the significant risk to patients.” What risk? These women are dying................

Yes, at this stage they're going to die!

When? Next week, next month, six months, a year? Does modern medicine keep them alive at a cost of $80,000 per treatment?

Does it make a difference if you keep your wife alive at $80,000 per treatment, with money out of your pocket, or is it different if the $80,000 comes out of all our pockets? Eventually, in the near term, she is going to die!

Call me fatalistic, but If I knew ahead of time that my life was to be shortened by a disease, wouldn't that be so much better than having a sudden heart attack or a major stroke?

With cancer, you have an opportunity to get your house in order, review your will, say your goodbyes. A terrible way to deteriorate, but, a much better way to finally say I love you!

When our beloved pets are about to die, most of us opt for them to not to have to prolong a difficult continuing life.

Why can't we allow our spouse to pass on with the same dignity???

8 posted on 12/22/2010 6:56:41 PM PST by Noob1999 (Loose Lips Sink Ships)
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To: Noob1999
Why can't we allow our spouse to pass on with the same dignity???

To begin with, this is America, supposed to be a free country right? You can choose whatever you and your spouse want. The objection is being forced to allow some anonymous government bean counter to make the decision for you.

The rest of your comment doesn't make much sense either, which I attributte to the effect of your obvious emotional involvement in the issue.

9 posted on 12/22/2010 7:12:06 PM PST by hinckley buzzard
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To: Noob1999

Well, this is the crux of the issue. You think $80,000 a treatment too high.

Perhaps so.

How about $8 a treatment? Or $800? Where will the line be drawn?

Will you and you doctor make the decision, or you and your insurance company, or you alone, if you have saved some money over your lifetime?

In this case, government bureaucrats are saying NONE OF YOU.

NONE OF YOU WILL MAKE THIS CHOICE. WE MADE THE CHOICE FOR YOU!

Because they took the drug off the market, and you can’t buy it even if you can afford it.

This is just the start.


10 posted on 12/22/2010 7:24:22 PM PST by BigBobber
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To: Diogenesis

Proves my contention that Mammagrams cause cancer. White women are more prone to go get those evil things. Not me. Never.


11 posted on 12/22/2010 7:26:01 PM PST by WVNan
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To: Noob1999
You will get no flame from me, but prayers for both your wife and yourself

God bless you

12 posted on 12/22/2010 7:30:40 PM PST by Kaslin (Acronym for OBAMA: One Big Ass Mistake America)
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To: BigBobber
Here's the difficulty: if such expensive, marginally effective treatments are available to anyone, there is enormous political and social pressure to make them available to everyone

So the option of "keep them available to those who can pay privately" is not actually available, except as a thought experiment.

As for "where do you draw the line", this is a practical political problem we face every day. "Lets pay for everything" is just not a realistic option, so there is no point in pretending that we don't have to make such cost/benefit decisions, like it or not.

13 posted on 12/22/2010 7:58:23 PM PST by M. Dodge Thomas
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To: Nachum; markomalley; Carlucci; grey_whiskers; meyer; WL-law; Para-Ord.45; 70th Division; ...

Ping


14 posted on 12/22/2010 8:15:38 PM PST by raptor22 (The truth will set us free)
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To: WVNan
had one 30 years ago - had no idea it be so brutal - will never have another one...

and I agree, I think they cause cancer - after all, it was the same as if you had sustained a terrific blow from some accident - and we know that can, eventually, bring on cancer.

(I had a friend in childhood that had a bad blow to her knee - within a year, cancer had set it. She lost her leg and then her life. My youngest son, 30 yrs ago, received a bad blow to his upper arm. A year later - bone cancer. He had a terrible time to stay alive - but made it against all odds and dr’s predictions - albeit with lasting effects. I have seen this scenario many times..)

15 posted on 12/22/2010 8:32:58 PM PST by maine-iac7
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To: raptor22

In spite of what the European commission says the fact is that Avastin has never been shown to help with breast cancer. The fact is that the prior FDA chairman approved the drug against the recommendation of the FDA experts. The fact is that after doing this he resigned and took a lucretive job at Roche where the drug is made.


16 posted on 12/22/2010 8:39:40 PM PST by webboy45
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To: Noob1999

Somehow having the FDA or a government panel decide when you die doesn’t seem like going with “dignity” to me.


17 posted on 12/22/2010 8:46:04 PM PST by ChildOfThe60s ( If you can remember the 60s....you weren't really there)
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To: maine-iac7

My generation learned from our mothers and grandmothers that it was important to protect the breasts from being hit or bruised. I believe that the Mammogram was invented by a man who has issues with women. He invented an instrument of torture and death.


18 posted on 12/22/2010 9:28:36 PM PST by WVNan
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To: Diogenesis

IF anybody really cared about breast cancer, there would be more attention paid to “The Pill”.
It’s like AIDS, everybody knows the primary cause, but nobody wants to suggest behavior change.
Just gimmie a pill and don’t bother me about my choices.


19 posted on 12/22/2010 9:44:18 PM PST by G Larry (When you're right, avoid compromise!)
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To: WVNan

My take on it was that is they used that torture machine to test for testicular cancer also - it would have banned decades ago...


20 posted on 12/22/2010 9:59:34 PM PST by maine-iac7
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To: maine-iac7

LOL. You got that right. MERRY CHRISTMAS!

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21 posted on 12/22/2010 10:41:11 PM PST by WVNan
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To: Noob1999

With you on the cost, but we are talking the FDA here. What should cost have to do with the approval of a drug?


22 posted on 12/22/2010 11:05:54 PM PST by dila813
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To: M. Dodge Thomas

...................As for “where do you draw the line”, this is a practical political problem we face every day. “Lets pay for everything” is just not a realistic option, so there is no point in pretending that we don’t have to make such cost/benefit decisions, like it or not...................

Thank you!.


23 posted on 12/22/2010 11:27:03 PM PST by Noob1999 (Loose Lips Sink Ships)
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To: Kaslin; All

Just wanted to share this.

I was deathly ill a few weeks back. I mean, I am NEVER sick, so when I had abdominal pain that was beyond bearing, I actually went to see a doctor, LOL!

After an office visit and every nurse and doctor in the place MARVELING at my paper-thin medical history (Seriously, I NEVER get sick!) they poked around on me, did some blood work and were CONVINCED my appendix had burst.

So, they trundled me back into my car and MADE ME DRIVE - BY MYSELF - to another clinic that could take better care of me and do a CT scan. (Frankly, by this point, I was pretty hysterical, thinking I was going to die - because THEY they thought I was gonna and they needed to cover their butts! (My MIL and Mom met me at the next clinic for my CT Scan.)

Well, to make a boring story longer (LOL!), after a stint later in the week in the hospital on a Friday Night, there was NOTHING wrong with me that anyone could find. However, for my trouble, the doctor was MORE than happy to hook me up to a morphine drip. Good Lord! I told the Tech - absolutely NOT!

The pain subsided and I have had no problems since. I’ve been back to normal and right as rain for the past three weeks. *SHRUG* They ruled out EVERYTHING - no appendix problems, no gall bladder probblems, etc.

And, of course, NO ONE called later to even SEE if I was dead or alive!

Got the bill this week. $4,777.13

God Bless Us, Every One!

I have insurance; but I’ll still be on the hook for $500 or so FOR NOTHING BEING WRONG WITH ME!

So, many thanks to those of yout hat will be absorbing MY bill with your medical bills where you actually have something WRONG with you! Grrrrrrr!

We’re doomed...


24 posted on 12/23/2010 7:00:04 PM PST by Diana in Wisconsin (I don't have 'hobbies.' I'm developing a robust post-Apocalyptic skill set.)
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To: G Larry

“Just gimmie a pill and don’t bother me about my choices.”

Exactly!


25 posted on 12/23/2010 7:01:03 PM PST by Diana in Wisconsin (I don't have 'hobbies.' I'm developing a robust post-Apocalyptic skill set.)
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To: M. Dodge Thomas
Here's the difficulty: if such expensive, marginally effective treatments are available to anyone, there is enormous political and social pressure to make them available to everyone...

With medical technologies, as with nearly all technologies, a formula that has worked well is that early adopters pay for the R&D costs. If someone wants to spend $1,000,000 for some new technology that is today rare and expensive, his money can be used to fund research and development; such people will in turn make it possible for others to use it much more inexpensively. Especially given that patents are for a finite duration, allowing rich people to fund new technologies almost guarantees that the technologies will be available to everyone within a few decades. By contrast, if rich people weren't allowed to be early adopters, nobody would be able to have the new technologies, ever, because they'd simply not be adopted.

Today, would the following be considered luxuries or necessities:

  1. Electric lighting
  2. Running water and sanitation
  3. Automatic heating
  4. Automobile
  5. Telephone
Except for the last two, those would be considered necessities for nearly everyone in the US, and the last two are practical necessities for many ordinary people. How about in 1900? Would not all of those have been considered extreme luxuries, available to very few? If those people hadn't been able to afford them then, would anyone have them now?
26 posted on 12/24/2010 8:03:59 AM PST by supercat (Barry Soetoro == Bravo Sierra)
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