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To: BenKenobi
This law will remove the incentive of anchor babies being able to legitimize their illegal parents, and later sponsoring their relatives via chain immigration. It does improve things. Until recently AZ hospitals in Tucson were advertising packages for illegals to come over and give birth to their children here, in order to allow them to stay, though they broke the law. While I agree that the law may often be an ass, this is a Constitutional decree. Congress has the power to set the conditions of Immigration and Naturalization, but NOT citizenship of the several States!

It cannot impose penalties on illegals here currently. That isn't the point of the bill. It does remove the incentive to have children here. To try to add penalties against the parents would complicate the matter needlessly, and should be addressed in a separate law. Yes, the child didn't cross the border. But they were born of non-citizens that came here with the intention of circumventing US law, not placing themselves under the jurisdiction thereof. They are being born here in order to circumvent the law. Not an acceptable situation.

Next, it only affects those in the future, not those here now. Ex post facto laws are prohibited. The US Constitution prohibits that specifically, and rightly so. We are looking forward. That is where the focus needs to be.

Just because someone is born within these borders doesn't make them a citizen. They must be born in a condition that is in accordance with the law. Illegals aren't.

17 posted on 01/06/2011 6:38:48 PM PST by ex 98C MI Dude (Alea Iacta Est)
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To: ex 98C MI Dude

“It does remove the incentive to have children here.”

If the privileges of citizenship are granted, then how does it even remove this incentive? They still have access to welfare and social services.

“Congress has the power to set the conditions of Immigration and Naturalization, but NOT citizenship of the several States!”

Umm, yes, the US congress does have the power to regulate citizenship of the United States. Under the constitutional authority. This can’t be changed unless its through constitutional amendment.

“It cannot impose penalties on illegals here currently.”

No, the bill will never impose penalties on illegals here currently. It doesn’t target them at all.

“To try to add penalties against the parents would complicate the matter needlessly.”

Heh, you completely lost my support here. So you are willing to tolerate illegals in the country provided they don’t have access to citizenship? That’s bad. Slaves were cheap labour, eh.

“They are being born here in order to circumvent the law.”

The circumvention of the law occurs when the parents cross the border. Intent to violate the law isn’t a crime until they actually cross the border. They are being born in the US in accordance to the law, not in circumvention of the law. Which is why you are trying to change the law.

“Just because someone is born within these borders doesn’t make them a citizen.”

The law at present affirms that all those born within the US are considered citizens of the United States.

“They must be born in a condition that is in accordance with the law.”

They are in accordance with the law. There exists no law which says that some people who are born in America are citizens and others are not.

“Illegals aren’t.”

Americans born on American soil are not illegal aliens.


18 posted on 01/06/2011 6:50:20 PM PST by BenKenobi (Rush speaks! I hear, I obey)
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