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To: Logical me
criminal will always attempt to hide the truth by any method he can. I can only conclude that the only reason King Obama will not freely offer proof of birth and citizenship that he is a criminal.

Unfortunately, the topic of this discussion may be, just as it was with the only prior usurper, Chester Arthur, who always concealed his Vermont birth certificate, intended to distract citizens from the truth. What is the truth? Here is just one of many clear statements of the truth, this time by Chief Justice Morrison Waite from his decision in Minor v. Happersett, 88 U.S. 162 from 1874:

“The Constitution does not, in words, say who shall be natural-born citizens. Resort must be had elsewhere to ascertain that. At common-law, with the nomenclature of which the framers of the Constitution were familiar, it was never doubted that all children born in a country of parents who were its citizensbecame themselves, upon their birth, citizens also. These were natives, or natural-born citizens...

The definition is from our common-law, just as were most of the definitions of terms used in the Constitution. John Jay, Washington, Hamilton, Jefferson, Marshall, Story,..., all had the wisdom to agree with ‘nature's law’, most, but not all of them, relying upon Vattel's summary of natures law, "Law of Nations" that the allegiances of the parents shape, and help to assure the allegiances of the child. It sounds like a sensible observation because it is. Humans evolved a civil society by codifying observed behavior. Every parent wants to know about the family which they will join by implication when their child marries.

Obama never said he was a natural born citizen, he said: "I am a native born citizen of the U.S.", which is a State Department definition, a statute, meaning born on our soil but not necessarily of citizen parents. Our founders and framers required that our president be a citizen by nature - not by statute/law; not naturalized. There have be dozens of attempts to amend this provisions of Article II, last by Orrin Hatch in 2003, and every one failed by large margins.

Obama told us his father was not a citizen. Obama and his supporters, like Obot James777 here on FR, are counting on your ignorance about our framers and founders. That is why they pump the irrelevant, and probably deliberate concealment of Soetoro/Obama’s birth records. Obama is not a Constitutional President because he was born to a British/Kenyan father. The argument they use is that the Constitution doesn't matter since the people elected him. That is only true if we forsake our founders and framers, rejecting John Adams and every other founder, to become a nation of men and not law. Every pure democracy has dissolved into anarchy and then dictatorship.

27 posted on 01/09/2011 12:23:20 PM PST by Spaulding
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To: Spaulding
Obama never said he was a natural born citizen, he said: "I am a native born citizen of the U.S.", which is a State Department definition, a statute, meaning born on our soil but not necessarily of citizen parents.

I don't know much about this document. But seems interesting that his books talk about his Kenyan father yet he signs this natural born citizen document.

also Why Was Sarah Herlihy Worrying About Article II?

from article

"I had to ask myself, what would drive any American to want to change a clause in a document that is the very foundation of our government? So, I kept digging, and found that SARAH P. HERLIHY is employed by Kirkland & Ellis LLP "Noting that this law firm is based in Chicago, the light bulb was shining a little brighter . Upon looking at the firm, and the partners, I found that Bruce I. Ettelson, P.C., is Member of finance committees of U.S. Senators Barack Obama and Richard Durbin.

AMENDING THE NATURAL BORN CITIZEN REQUIREMENT: GLOBALIZATION AS THE IMPETUS AND THE OBSTACLE SARAH P. HERLIHY. INTRODUCTION

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42 posted on 01/09/2011 3:44:09 PM PST by opentalk
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