“As my kids say,
Duh.”
An explanation with language as garbled as “the state ‘9-months pregnant’ is not exactly a constant state” hardly deserves a “duh.” Let us just say point settled. I was wrong to quote the 9 months part, anyway. That’s not the real issue, as it could be explained that her being excessively pregnant kept her from leaving rather than coming.
My fundamental question remains unanswered. So far as I understand the timeline, she has to go to Africa some time between being a couple months pregnant (based on getting married in Hawaii) and giving birth. When did she go? Where’s the evidence she did?
By the way, if she was refused travel due to an advanced state of pregnancy, why did she want to leave? Perhaps to have the child back home? If that’s the case, why go to Africa in the first place?
>>So far as I understand the timeline, she has to go to Africa some time between being a couple months pregnant (based on getting married in Hawaii) and giving birth. When did she go? Where’s the evidence she did?
1) There is no evidence that she was ever married in Hawaii. No marriage certificate has ever been found. Why do you think that is so?
2) When did she go? I don’t know. No one knows. Or even if she went —instead of for ex Vancouver (unwed mothers homes) or Seattle etc.
3) Where’s the evidence she did? Same, unless you believe the following sincere people:
1) the entire Kenyan Parliament
2) Statements by writer from Kenya stating that his birth certificate copy is identical, with identical stamps and seals and fonts to Obama’s Mombasa certificate.
3) His own grandmother’s statements and videos.
4) The Kenyan Ambassador’s statements to the people who called him to ask where Obama was born and he said “Kenya. And we are very proud of it”.
5) Fellow FReepers who want to know the truth: Please add a few more !!!
The above are well known.
“Why did she return?”
I don’t know. To go to school? Found out about the other wife and child?
Who knows?
That’s the whole point: who knows anything about this guy, it’s all been covered up and when we, regular Americans, ask about it we get shouted down and I will no longer allow myself to be shouted down.
SHOW US THE LONG FORM you marxist liar and cheat !!!
So you don't know or believe she was in Africa, but you know if she was, she wanted to leave? And if she wanted to leave to have the child back home, what does it matter, if she wasn't able to leave? Doesn't change the fact the she possibly didn't leave and therefore Obama wasn't born in Hawaii.
The story that’s been presented is that she thought she wanted to be BHO’s wife in Kenya for the rest of her life. Went there to meet the family, stayed for a while and saw how they treat women and decided it wasn’t for her. Wanted to fly back to America but couldn’t until after the baby was born. When she could fly she flew back to Washington to take classes as she had wanted to do all along.
There are lots of stories that are around, and we have no way of knowing whether Stanley Ann Dunham even had a child, or that the child she had was this one - much less the father, the birthplace, etc. What we can find is that the stories we’ve been given by Obama/Ayers don’t match up to any of the independent official sources we can find.
To check out the story of where SAD was in August of 1961 (which may or may not have been when she had a child, if ever) we would have to see her travel records including her passport. If she didn’t have a passport in 1961 the Passport Office could easily rebuke the claims that SAD gave birth outside the US by simply showing that she had no passport. But alas! The Passport Office has kept at least one person on hold for over a year because they don’t want to look in an alphabetized file of microfilmed index cards and see what passports SAD has had, including any she might have had in 1961.
And it appears very probable that Alex Galovich of the Passport Office, as well as the attorney representing the Passport Office, have committed fraud on the court by presenting as authentic a forged “cable” claiming that retention schedules were changed and millions of passport applications destroyed without leaving any of the required paper trail - all in order to not have to show the passport records from before 1967, which are known to exist because the 1967 record we have is an amendment to the passport issued in 1965.
In the passport records they’ve released there are 2 different marriages dates and locations listed for Ann and Lolo’s wedding, and the names of both Ann and Obama Jr don’t seem to match up.
So no matter how you slice it, the official records are at best jumbled up and conflict with the narrative Obama has given of his origins and life.
And that is precisely why I say there should be an investigation. Without a legal investigation, with access to all the records so the credibility of the sources and genuineness of the documents can be discovered, we have no way of knowing what is true about this guy.
Abercrombie is stepping in deep doo-doo by claiming he saw Ann and Barack with the baby at social events in Hawaii. That statement is going to come around and bite him in the butt someday, when the truth gets out. Given the timeline for Ann’s classes in Seattle, he’s walking a thin, thin line.
Maybe she was sent "away." It wasn't exactly the thing for "nice" girls to be pregnant at 18 to a black man the girl wasn't married to. Maybe she intended to give the baby the baby up for adoption, but became attached to him and changed her mind. Don't forget that this was pre Roe v. Wade and Obama and the left may owe his existence to that fact.
ML/NJ