In between reading all those “dispy” books in your massive library, maybe you could take a break and watch this man speak about just this very thing. Someone posted this link on another thread. He’s done his homework. I think it’s worth a little over an hour of your time, if you’re really interested to know what futurists think.
I found it interesting, anyway. And he certainly isn’t attributing powers of the weather to Satan, only to God.
http://www.defendproclaimthefaith.org/obadiah_15.html
The link to hear John McTernan restore Pagan beliefs of appease the gods or die
Wow.
I really appreciate the link, I now understand just how bad the insanity is and how so many find it appealing. I was careful and took notes of the entire thing and was impressed by how he could lie and make back-to-back false equivocations with such smoothness and sincerity. His handling of Scriptures is shameful but now I have a better understanding of why Dysfunctionalists are the way they are. I have never seen so much eisegesis even when discussing the divinity of Mary with Roman Catholics.
I now know what the cure to Dysfunctionalism is. It is mandatory that people need to carefully read their Bibles and not gratuitously make false definitions of so many terms.
In one of the more flagrant violations of Biblical interpretation, he, within a few seconds took passages written by different prophets speaking of totally different things and pretended that they were the same, and then quickly assumed that "House of Jacob" = "House of Joseph" = (jumps to different prophet) "House of David" = "Jerusalem" and then he just gratuitously threw in = "Israel" even though it wasn't used anywhere. He even managed to completely ignore the "Judah/Jerusalem" juxtaposition and contrast which would have trashed his series of wrong equivalences.
So things that I have learned from this lecture.
All of which is easily demonstrable with Scripture to be a lie (much of it outright heretical), but it wrecks the campfire story and probably would ruin book sales.
My Notes:
13:45 - "the day of the LORD is near' = 2600 years later. Just totally ignores the word "near" and gratuitously says "2600+ years from Obadiah's day, and Edom is no longer Edom, but is the united States".
14:00 Claims that "day of the LORD' can only mean the 2nd coming. Absolutely ignores all biblical evidence to the contrary.
15:00 Contradicts his own predictions by saying that individually we bless Israel yet we still get smacked because of affliction brought on at a national level.
16:15 Says that Genesis 12:3 and Obadiah 15 go hand in hand in our present day relationships. Proof? Any evidence other than just assertion? (No) Is there any evidence that to "curse Abraham" means to not suck-up to modern day Israel? Where does that gratuitous assertion come from? The language in Genesis and the context in Genesis clearly means Abraham. In Genesis 26:2-5, the promise is repeated to Isaac with the exception of (curse those who curse you and bless those who bless you) - because that aspect of the promise was made to Abraham only (a personal promise)
16:40 says "since that tiny little nation is important to the LORD, then it should be important to us, right?" Excuse me? Who said that the modern day Israel was "important to the LORD", anymore so than modern Egypt, Paraguay or New Zealand?
17:00 that at the 2nd coming of the LORD, the Christ-hating nation of Israel will be made holy. John seems to be oblivious to the preceding chapter and thus isolates these two verses (4:3-4) as if they refer to a physical millennial kingdom thousands and thousands of years in the future, rather than the immediate judgement sent to them via Babylon.
18:00 John preaches righteousness without repentance, that God will pour himself out on them, cleanse them of their sins but no where in there do we see them recognizing HIm as LORD, nor do we see repentance.
18:32-20:00 Gratuitously changes "House of Jacob" and "House of Joseph" to be "Israel" and then ignores "house of Esau" but gratuitously says that Zecharia 12:6 is the speaking of the exact same thing and then instead of finishing his quote of Obadiah 18, jumps to Zecharia 12:6 and pretends that "glory of the House of David" is the same as "House of Jacob and Joseph" which is the same as saying "tiny nation of modern day Israel" (incidently Zech says "House of David shall be like God, like the Angel of the LORD before them") then we have a quick word change again to "Jerusalem" (as opposed to Judah). The false equivocations here are breath-taking in their audacity.
20:30 John says that "Esau" = "Palestinians" and God will indeed destroy all of the Palestinians (yet John claims that God doesn't want to do it - how do you know, John? He says that GOd is working with the Palestinians, but if Esay = Palestinians, then God has already laid judgment against Palestinians - so John is speaking out of both sides of his mouth.)
22:00 John then makes excuses for why its a good thing that Palestinians are destroyed. (according to Obadiah) (yeah, right)
23:00 Says that God will smite the Palestinians because they will not submit to the LORD. What seems to escape JOhn's notice is that present day nation of Israel also refuses to submit to the LORD - yet God will bless the Jewish blasphemeres while simultaneously smite the Palestinian blasphemers.
23:10 "Mountains of Esau" = "areas to the south", Philistia = "Gaza", Ephraim = "West Bank", Samaria = "West Bank". Then he claims that Ephraim and Samaria are the same things, the first prior to the Babylonian captivity, and the second after the captivity. Fine. But then the gratuitous leap that this is license to say "West Bank" several thousand years later we are to assume to be true without any substantiation.
25:00 Benjamin will possess Gilead = "Jordon" - he predicts that Jordan will surrender land to Israel.
33:00 the "captives of Jerusalem" located in Sepharad = "Spain"
34:00 Remaining Jews will flee Spain (Zarephath) after the war into the south/gaza (Sepharad) [v20] replacing the Palestinians.
37:00 "the saviors will come" = the church that returns with the Messiah (Zech 14:3-5) "all the saints with thee" = "the saviors will come".
42:00 Now how can I insert myself into this story? Oct 30,1991 Geo. HW Bush "cursed Abraham" by stating that the US wants to see a Palestinian state. "Freakish storm developed in the Atlantic"
44:00 John says that Geo H W Bush caused the 1991 "Perfect Storm" because of his Palestinian State speech. "Madrid Peace Process" No mention of Israel Prime Minister Yitzhak Shamir's November 1,1991 "With an open heart, we call on the Arab leaders to take the courageous step and respond to our outstretched hand in peace."
46:00 That God sent the Perfect Storm to trash Bush's Kennebunkport house on the day that he gave that speech. (applause)
48:00 Hurricane Andrew was because we had the Israel Peace Process in the US, and GHWBush was to lose the election. (Apparently Clinton would be better for Israel than Bush if we follow the logic)
Of course nothing was happening to Madrid when they had the Peace Process on their soil.
50:00 The US is no longer in the warning phase and is now in the judgment phase. In short, we are screwed, so give up.
50:00 calls traditional eschatology as "hatefilled and blind". (then refers to it in a pejorative - "replacementarian") and calls thousands of years of theology as bad doctrine.
52:00 then continues to call Covenant theology (correcting himself from saying that to use the hatefilled-pejorative "Replacement Theology") hypocrite.
52:00 "Fear of the LORD" = we need to be terrified of God's judgement on Christians because of the US political leadership.
53:30 The Northridge earthquake happened hours after Clinton said that Israel was going to have to give up the Golan Heights. on Jan 17, 1994 4:31AM. Hafez al-Assad of Syria met in Geneva on the 15-16th. (not hours, actually a full day [nitpick])
54:00 Shows Hurricanes happening on the same day that Gay Rights parades, or Arab visitors came to the US, or some speech regarding the middle east occured.
59:00 Political Humiliation follows after suggesting that Israel give up land for Peace. (Katrina)
1:00:00 Katrina marks the "end" crossing the "threshold" of warnings to judgment (WX = warnings, financial = judgement).
1:02:00 Makes false claim that no one was saying anything about financial difficulties ahead (Bravo Sierra) What about Europe who got slammed? Global stockmarket crash a few days after George Bush giving speech to create Palestinian state.
1:07:00 ROsh Hashanna, the market had its greatest crash, on Yom Kippur the whole world was falling
1:08:00 Next Yom Kippur, another crash, and then the feast of Tabernacles stocks were falling. - Collapses happen on Jewish feast days.
1:09:00 HIllary makes a statement and the stock market falls 370+ points. Apparently we don't get earthquakes and hurricanes as judgment we get financial calamity.
1:10:00 the host gets applause when he talks about God punishing America.
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