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To: meyer
You cannot secure a FREE STATE while simultaneously allowing the government to dictate the criteria for gun ownership, for the government is the antonym of freedom.

Absolutely, you can, and you should. It doesn't say anywhere in the Constitution than violent, murdering ex-convicts can't own Mossberg shotguns. How are mental patients supposed to defend the free state without AR15s? Why doesn't little Billy's public school kindergarten class have access to Glocks?

What are you, some kind of gun grabber? Give Billy a Glock with his juice and cookies, you statist thug! ;-)

Government is a necessary evil. Or, as George Washington put it, it is like fire. Either a fearful servant or a dangerous master. Even though the government is trying to put its 'dangerous master' pants on, its proper role is to regulate the well regulated militia as our 'fearful servant'.

28 posted on 01/30/2011 7:35:44 AM PST by Steel Wolf ("There are moderate Muslims, but Islam itself is not moderate." - Ibn Warraq)
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To: Steel Wolf

>Absolutely, you can, and you should. It doesn’t say anywhere in the Constitution than violent, murdering ex-convicts can’t own Mossberg shotguns. How are mental patients supposed to defend the free state without AR15s? Why doesn’t little Billy’s public school kindergarten class have access to Glocks?
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>What are you, some kind of gun grabber? Give Billy a Glock with his juice and cookies, you statist thug! ;-)

Ah, but you’ve hit upon an excellent mechanism for gun confiscation here. Most people do not think there is anything wrong with forever stripping a felon of his right to keep and bear arms even after he has served his sentence. Yet, Obamacare makes it a FELONY for an individual not to have “qualifying” health-insurance; there are no exceptions for unemployment or extensions for, say, even a single day of non-coverage for someone transitioning from one policy to another. {Also note the ever-increasing unemployment.}

I think it not at all unreasonable to assume that tens of thousands — and perhaps millions — will become ineligible to own firearms in 2014 when Obamacare comes into effect.


45 posted on 01/30/2011 9:46:52 AM PST by OneWingedShark (Q: Why am I here? A: To do Justly, to love mercy, and to walk humbly with my God.)
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To: Steel Wolf
Absolutely, you can, and you should. It doesn't say anywhere in the Constitution than violent, murdering ex-convicts can't own Mossberg shotguns. How are mental patients supposed to defend the free state without AR15s? Why doesn't little Billy's public school kindergarten class have access to Glocks?

First, if someone is a violent murderer, they ought to still be imprisoned, not running around free among the responsible citizens. Second, there are other aspects of the constitution and established law which deal with those that are not sentient adults, including young children and the mentally disabled. In the case of children, it is up to the parents to decide when they can handle a firearm, even though the law (erroneously) limits handgun ownership to those of a certain age.

Government is a necessary evil. Or, as George Washington put it, it is like fire. Either a fearful servant or a dangerous master. Even though the government is trying to put its 'dangerous master' pants on, its proper role is to regulate the well regulated militia as our 'fearful servant'.

Government is the very entity for which the second amendment was written. It is ludicrous to think that giving the entity against which we should defend ourselves the ability to control access to the very tools with which that should be done. This is akin to giving the fox the authority to set up security for the hen house.

50 posted on 01/30/2011 11:24:07 AM PST by meyer (We will not sit down and shut up.)
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