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To: FR_addict

I am not sure about the tax records.

I have not got researched this too much.

I did chase down some of the 999-99 Occidental records. They lead to addresses that are not valid. Also one of the 999s is in Missouri. It leads to a valid street but not a valid home number address. And the suburb was built in 1991 or so. So that was strange.

One other interesting thing of note in the Inspector’s General report. On the last page is a summary of the types of documents released from states. Some say “Hawaii does not provide full copy of original BCs and ONLY issues COLBs” (Computer Abstract is the term in the doc).

This can be show to be false by the table on the last page.

It shows that 51 states (states + DC) issue “Full Photocopy of Birth Record”. So when someone says Hawaii does not issue Full original photo copies of BCs. Point them to this document.

This is another myth propagated by the criminal cloakers.


68 posted on 03/19/2011 10:09:10 AM PDT by bluecat6 ( "A non-denial denial. They doubt our heritage, but they don't say the story is not accurate.")
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To: bluecat6

I am not sure about the tax records.

I have not got researched this too much.

I did chase down some of the 999-99 Occidental records. They lead to addresses that are not valid. Also one of the 999s is in Missouri. It leads to a valid street but not a valid home number address. And the suburb was built in 1991 or so. So that was strange.

One other interesting thing of note in the Inspector’s General report. On the last page is a summary of the types of documents released from states. Some say “Hawaii does not provide full copy of original BCs and ONLY issues COLBs” (Computer Abstract is the term in the doc).

This can be show to be false by the table on the last page.

It shows that 51 states (states + DC) issue “Full Photocopy of Birth Record”. So when someone says Hawaii does not issue Full original photo copies of BCs. Point them to this document.

This is another myth propagated by the criminal cloakers.


The document you reference is 11 years old, having been issued in 2000. Hawaii digitized its birth records in 2001, after that Inspector General’s report was published.

From the Hawaii Star-Bulliten of June 6, 2009:
“Born Identity”

Question: What is the state’s policy for issuing a “Certification of Live Birth” versus a “Certificate of Live Birth”? My first, second and fourth children received certificates, but my third and fifth children received certifications. Why the difference? The certificate contains more information, such as the name of hospital, certifier’s name and title; attendant’s name and title, etc. The certification has only the child’s name, date and time of birth, sex, city/island/county of birth, mother’s maiden name, mother’s race, father’s name and father’s race. Why doesn’t the state just issue certificates? When did it stop issuing certificates? Is it possible to obtain certificates for my third and fifth children?

Answer: No, you can’t obtain a “certificate of live birth” anymore.

The state Department of Health no longer issues copies of paper birth certificates as was done in the past, said spokeswoman Janice Okubo.

The department only issues “certifications” of live births, and that is the “official birth certificate” issued by the state of Hawaii, she said.

And, it’s only available in electronic form.

Okubo explained that the Health Department went paperless in 2001.

“At that time, all information for births from 1908 (on) was put into electronic files for consistent reporting,” she said.

Information about births is transferred electronically from hospitals to the department.

“The electronic record of the birth is what (the Health Department) now keeps on file in order to provide same-day certified copies at our help window for most requests,” Okubo said.

Asked for more information about the short-form versus long-form birth documents, Okubo said the Health Department “does not have a short-form or long-form certificate.”

“The birth certificate form has been modified over the years and decades to conform to national standards and models,” she said.

Okubo also emphasized the certification form “contains all the information needed by all federal government agencies for transactions requiring a birth certificate.”

She added that the U.S. Supreme Court has recognized the state’s current certification of live birth “as an official birth certificate meeting all federal and other requirements.”

The issue of what constitutes an official Hawaii birth certificate received national attention during last year’s presidential campaign. Those who doubted Barack Obama’s American citizenship called the copy of the Hawaii birth document posted on his campaign Web site a fake.

Asked about that document, Okubo said, “This is the same certified copy everyone receives when they request a birth certificate.”

We found a discussion of “the truth about Obama’s birth certificate” on the Web site FactCheck.org—http://www.factcheck.org/elections-2008/born_in_the_usa.html.

The organization describes itself as “a nonpartisan, nonprofit ‘consumer advocate’ for voters that aims to reduce the level of deception and confusion in U.S. politics.”

It says a “certification of live birth” is, in fact, a short-form official birth certificate. Information included in the document might differ from state to state.


70 posted on 03/19/2011 1:19:41 PM PDT by jamese777
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