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The fact that Abraham Lincoln is worshipped as a god and revered for preserving the Union is a sign that history is written by the winners. Truth is, he was a usurper of the Constitution and a war criminal.


2 posted on 04/11/2011 7:55:44 AM PDT by Arkansas Toothpick
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10 posted on 04/11/2011 8:06:10 AM PDT by stormer
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Lincoln is simply the second-greatest president to Washington. ANY other president would have immediately declared all the Southerners to be traitors (they were) and pardoned them afterward. Can you name me one other rebellion where the rebel forces were not labeled traitors? English Civil War? Spanish Civil War? Any of the French revolutions? Any modern war? No you cannot, because the very definition of traitor is one who raises arms against a duly-constituted government.

How many people did ol' Jeff Davis slam in jail? How many civil rights did that tyrant abuse? Oh, we get to forget about him because he was "doin' it for ol' Dixie." Hogwash. If Lincoln had done what he should have done in 1861, the war probably wouldn't have gone on as long as it did. Instead, he tried to "be nice," encourage the South to return, rather than immediately going after the heart of the rebellion, slavery.

11 posted on 04/11/2011 8:06:10 AM PDT by LS ("Castles made of sand, fall in the sea . . . eventually." (Hendrix))
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As a northerner and a Freeper, I’ve had a hard time figuring out why Lincoln is considered “great”

- It was never Lincoln’s intent to free the slaves. Emmancipation simply proved to be a way to swing European support in favor of the North. While a brilliant political move, it was highly hypocritical. Most people regard Lincoln as some sort of crusaider of freedom, but the history doesn’t support this view.

- I am strongly against a strong central government. The centralized government that we’re stuck with now was largely started by Lincoln (FDR brought it to another level).

- Lincoln allowed the war to fester by choosing incompetent military leadership. The North had the resources and manpower to stop the South in a matter of months instead of four years. McClellan, possibly one of the most inept generals in American history, was actually re-assigned to a position that he failed at. He could have made an extrodinary deal to keep Lee as a neutral, rather than a formidable Southern general, as Lee was only interested in fighting for Virginia, not the idea of succession. And as much as the South hates Grant and Sherman, had Lincoln used such generals at the head of the army at the beginning, both the South and the North would have suffered less in the lon run. Many hundred of thousands died because of this lack of leadership.

- Lincoln suspended key parts of the Constitution to suit his needs. He violated both the letter and the spirit of the law. I find this the hardest to swallow.


20 posted on 04/11/2011 8:29:28 AM PDT by kidd
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The fact that Abraham Lincoln is worshipped as a god and revered for preserving the Union is a sign that history is written by the winners. Truth is, he was a usurper of the Constitution and a war criminal.


256 posted on 04/12/2011 1:19:09 PM PDT by Idabilly ("I won't be wronged, I won't be insulted, and I won't be laid a hand on. ...)
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Dr. Conn puts it well. The confederate flag is a symbol of treason, a crime of which every soldier who volunteered to fight for the confederacy is guilty.

It is sad that so many who would call themselves "conservative" on this site actively defend treason.

258 posted on 04/12/2011 1:26:31 PM PDT by curiosity
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“The fact that Abraham Lincoln is worshipped as a god and revered for preserving the Union is a sign that history is written by the winners.”

The best I can tell that attitude attained religion status in the years leading up to the 50th anniversary of the end of the war.


263 posted on 04/12/2011 1:44:50 PM PDT by Rebelbase
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Amen to that.


328 posted on 04/12/2011 9:48:21 PM PDT by BigCinBigD (Northern flags in South winds flutter...)
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To: Arkansas Toothpick

Get a grip.

If you win the war you are not now not ever and never will be a “war criminal”.

Only if you lose a war are you ever a “war criminal”.

Try winning a war - THEN you get to decide who is and isn’t a war criminal.

And reverence for the Constitution is an interesting position for a supporter of the Confederacy to take. It seems to me you can be for one or the other - by what logic can you simultaneously support both?


532 posted on 04/19/2011 1:45:08 PM PDT by allmendream (Tea Party did not send the GOP to D.C. to negotiate the terms of our surrender to socialism.)
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