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To: phi11yguy19
And I quote from Lincoln in Sept. ‘58...

And what of it? Dred Scott made the issue moot, and even if Lincoln had not chosen to respond to a Douglas attack on him on this issue there was nothing he could do about it anyway. Regardless, the claim was that Lincoln is quoted as saying free blacks were unwelcome in Illinois. If this is your standard then obviously free blacks were unwelcome in any state in the Union.

Of course that was WAY back in ‘58 before he declared war on the South without Congress’s approval (something we’re all familiar with today) a few years later.

You declare war on other countries, not rebellious parts of your own. No declaration of war would have been appropriate.

I have urged the colonization of the negroes, and I shall continue. My Emancipation Proclamation was linked with this plan. There is no room for two distinct races of white men in America, much less for two distinct races of whites and blacks.

Lincoln supported colonization for most if his adult life. If that makes him an evil person then he's in pretty good company because men like James Monroe, John Breckenridge, and Robert Lee all supported the same cause. Does your condemnation extend to them as well? And where were any of these men evil in wanting to assist those free blacks who wanted to in carving out their own life free from the oppression and racial discrimination that they faced in the U.S., North and South?

Are we done playing kids games now?

Not when you insist on doing so.

Please do your own homework and read the book, and see how many of your “facts” hold true.

I have. Far more so than you apparently.

71 posted on 04/11/2011 11:38:49 AM PDT by K-Stater
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To: K-Stater
You declare war on other countries, not rebellious parts of your own. No declaration of war would have been appropriate.

And there you catch yourself in a fallacy. If it wasn't a war, then why is it now called the Civil War? (After all, Shay's Rebellion was a pretty big deal but we don't call that a war.) The South wasn't rebelling, they were LEAVING their voluntary compact with the other States (see "secession"). If they were never a separate country, why were they forced to be "re-admitted" to the union by re-swearing allegiance to D.C.? Since the 14th & 16th amendments were passed with differing Southern representation present in congress, then one or the other is unconstitutional since it either had invalid votes or didn't get the required votes. Yada, yada, yada.

As for the rest of your post, you're arguing a straw man. A poster asked for a quote to support that Lincoln didn't want blacks in Illinois (or any other "free-soil" state for that matter), and I provided it. Are you in agreement, or are you changing the discussion completely to make it seem like i didn't answer his question as simply as possibly?

Starting a philosophical discussion on a message board about good vs evil seems more than a little off topic and futile (even though it's always an interesting debate in person).
75 posted on 04/11/2011 11:57:18 AM PDT by phi11yguy19
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