Heidi says: Thursday, May 5, 2011 at 12:13 PM
This is a note from a genealogist friend of mine:
“What probably should be done is to contact the attorneys who are handling the case against obama.
***In my opinion, here is the lynchpin: Alvin T. Onaka, the Registrar who’s name appears on the certificate, should be subpoenaed to testify in court that the document that has been presented by obama is a true certificate that was issued by Onaka’s office.
***In order to do that, I would assume that an attorney would have to submit the fake document to the court as evidence in the case against obama, or else start a new civil suit that would deal solely with the new fake certificate.
***Then Onaka could be called as an expert witness to testify to the fact that either the certificate is a legal, certified copy or it is not.*** End of problem.
As I see it, Onaka could not testify to the legality of the document without his seal being stamped on the document.
He simply cannot.
What this certificate is, if it has indeed been issued by Onaka’s office, is an UNCERTIFIED COPY–ONE THAT LACKS THE EMBOSSED SEAL–THAT IS NOT VALID FOR USE IN A LEGAL SITUATION, I.E., TO ATTEST TO BIRTH IDENTITY, TO OBTAIN PASSPORTS, TO OBTAIN A SOCIAL SECURITY NUMBER, TO APPLY FOR ENTRANCE INTO THE MILITARY, TO OBTAIN A DRIVER’S LICENSE, ETC.
What I believe is this: if the birth certificate document that has been released by obama as his true long-form certficate of live birth is a forgery, he is, at the very least, guilty of being party to the crime of forgery as he personally has verified that he is releasing this form of the document as a true copy.
***I suppose obama can always put the blame on Mr. Onaka for the document’s authenticity, but Onaka holds the trump card: his embossed seal is nowhere in sight.
***The copy, therefore, could have been made by anyone. And Onaka is therefore not obliged to take responsibility for it.”
I have contacted my Representative and asked him to get this legal verification.
The stupid... It still burns...
Let’s just make this easy, if BHO said it’s a lie.
And what is this "seal" for?
In answer to the question: “Is the Lack of an Embossed Seal the Key?” No. On the birth certificate issue, the key is that Hawaii calls what Obama posted, “a certified copy of his original Certificate of Live Birth”.
http://hawaii.gov/health/vital-records/obama.html
On serious issues that intelligent conservatives might argue, I’d say the key is our thirteen trillion dollar debt. There are further serious issues that smart people might reasonably consider ‘key’, but this birther garbage is not among them.
What you are likely to get back is deafening silence. That’s what I get when I contact my representatives on the federal and state levels.
1.To me, the conspicuous silence on the part of Kapiolani Hospital in not commenting on the recent release of Obama's long form birth certificate and in not allowing reporters to look at Obama'a mother's Aug. 4, 1961 records are also important keys to proving whether or not Obama's long form birth certificate is authentic.
2. For instance, if from today until election day Nov. 2012, Kapiolani Hospital and Obama don't allow reporters to examine Obama's mother's records from Aug. 1961---election day Nov. 2012 is a very long year and a half away---then I say that Kapiolani and Obama are trying to hide something, and that something could be that Obama was not born at Kapiolani as he claims.
3. NOTE: Some people on the internet claim that Kapiolani Hospital cannot even release 1961 hospital records of deceased Stanley Ann Dunham Obama/Soetoro to her own son---who happens to be the President of the United States of America---because of new very strict medical privacy laws.
4. I find such a claim absurd.
5. For instance, are these people telling me that if Obama---the President of the United States of America---walked into Kapiolani Hospital tomorrow with a group of high-priced lawyer and demanded to see his deceased mother's records under threat of a very expensive lawsuit, that Kapiolani officials would tell Obama to his face that federal privacy laws prohibit him and anyone else from ever looking at Obama's mother's hospital records, because she is now deceased and she would have been the only person in the world who could have given permission to release her records.
To me, such a statement is absurd.
6. So if Kapiolani Hospital and Obama do not allow reporters to look at Obama's mother's records between today and election day Nov. 2012, I could only conclude that the reason that Kapiolani would NOT release Obama's mother's records to the public is that there were never any Stanley Ann Dumham Obama records for Aug. 4, 1961 to begin with.
7. So an important key to resolving Obama's long form birth certificate controversy is finding out if Kapiolani Hospital will ever be forced to release Obama's mother's August 4, 1961 records, the day that Obama claims that he was born at Kapiolani Hospital.
KAPIOLANI HOSPITAL SILENCE A VERY IMPORTANT KEY?
1.To me, the conspicuous silence on the part of Kapiolani Hospital in not commenting on the recent release of Obama’s long form birth certificate and in not allowing reporters to look at Obama’a mother’s Aug. 4, 1961 records are also important keys to proving whether or not Obama’s long form birth certificate is authentic.
2. For instance, if from today until election day Nov. 2012, Kapiolani Hospital and Obama don’t allow reporters to examine Obama’s mother’s records from Aug. 1961-—election day Nov. 2012 is a very long year and a half away-—then I say that Kapiolani and Obama are trying to hide something, and that something could be that Obama was not born at Kapiolani as he claims.
3. NOTE: Some people on the internet claim that Kapiolani Hospital cannot even release 1961 hospital records of deceased Stanley Ann Dunham Obama/Soetoro to her own son-—who happens to be the President of the United States of America-—because of new very strict medical privacy laws.
4. I find such a claim absurd.
5. For instance, are these people telling me that if Obama-—the President of the United States of America-—walked into Kapiolani Hospital tomorrow with a group of high-priced lawyer and demanded to see his deceased mother’s records under threat of a very expensive lawsuit, that Kapiolani officials would tell Obama to his face that federal privacy laws prohibit him and anyone else from ever looking at Obama’s mother’s hospital records, because she is now deceased and she would have been the only person in the world who could have given permission to release her records.
To me, such a statement is absurd.
6. So if Kapiolani Hospital and Obama do not allow reporters to look at Obama’s mother’s records between today and election day Nov. 2012, I could only conclude that the reason that Kapiolani would NOT release Obama’s mother’s records to the public is that there were never any Stanley Ann Dumham Obama records for Aug. 4, 1961 to begin with.
7. So an important key to resolving Obama’s long form birth certificate controversy is finding out if Kapiolani Hospital will ever be forced to release Obama’s mother’s August 4, 1961 records, the day that Obama claims that he was born at Kapiolani Hospital.
I know this is slightly off topic. I can’t find a clear copy of the Nordyke twins BC. What I do see is that Obama’s mother signed the document on 8-7-61 and the next signature was 8-8-61. It was stamped on 8-8-61. The number of the Certificate is higher than that of both twins. The mother would not have signed a blank document. It would already have a number.
The twins mother signed her two docs on 8-7-61 but they were not processed until 8-11-61. This does not make any sense.
How many registars are there. My town is larger than Honolulu in 1961. There is one person as Registar. Anyone in the office could have filled out the documents but the Registar must actually sign and apply the seal. This is still done in 2011 when I obtained a copy for my sons DL application. I had to return to pick up the BC because only the Registrar can sign and seal same. I have seen three different signatures on posted BC’s. How can the revolving Registrar system work? How many are authorized to seal and sign off? That is the bigger question.
Even if they are certified copies the seal should be there in all circumstances. Anyone have a clear link to Nordyke twins BC?
I’ve counted five after-birthers on this thread so far. Is that about right?