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Amtrak Turns 40…Called a ‘Massive Failure’ by its Founder
TheBlaze ^ | May 7, 2011 | Mike Opelka

Posted on 05/07/2011 5:15:29 PM PDT by george76

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To: Der_Hirnfänger

At least, don’t lie about the schedule. Include the delays so that people can plan... like you leaving earlier.


41 posted on 05/07/2011 6:16:19 PM PDT by dhs12345
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To: napscoordinator

I have long advocated that the railways in North America could turn a profit if they used the business model that the operators of ocean liners adopted when they lost business to the airlines. Run luxury “cruise trains” through the more scenic areas and they could make a mint. A good example is VIA Rail’s service through the Rockies- you have to book it more than a year in advance because the Chinese and Japanese tourists pack every run. Unfortunately, because VIA is government-owned, they are doing nothing to capitalize on this market and still only operate one train a day on the route.


42 posted on 05/07/2011 6:16:52 PM PDT by Squawk 8888 (Tories in- mission accomplished)
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To: cripplecreek

Here in Toronto, public transit gets about 80% of its operating budget from the farebox. That is only viable when you have 3 million people living less than an hour from the financial district; in other cities (and the ‘burbs) around here the transit service is subsidized for more than half the operating costs.


43 posted on 05/07/2011 6:23:36 PM PDT by Squawk 8888 (Tories in- mission accomplished)
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To: george76

A lot of capital equipment in Amtrack. Sell it ALL off, let private carriers fix it.

Oh, wait, that won’t ever happen. Too much money (ie, corruption) for the politicians...


44 posted on 05/07/2011 6:24:13 PM PDT by piytar (The Four Horsemen: War, Pestilence, Famine, and Bob. Be not proud, Bob! (ht to Gen.Blather))
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To: Squawk 8888
Supertrain (1979)?
45 posted on 05/07/2011 6:25:31 PM PDT by jimfree (In 2012 Sarah Palin will have more quality executive experience than Barack Obama.)
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To: j.argese

London-Toronto-Montreal-Ottawa-Quebec City and Calgary-Edmonton are the only VIA routes that make sense as an alternative to air travel. The service on the other routes is abysmal.


46 posted on 05/07/2011 6:26:29 PM PDT by Squawk 8888 (Tories in- mission accomplished)
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To: ncalburt

Its my only real problem with Rick Snyder at this point. He hasn’t said a lot about trains since the election and I’m hoping he’ll surprise us again.

After all, a high speed train can’t go anywhere if Ohio and Indiana have shut it down.


47 posted on 05/07/2011 6:29:19 PM PDT by cripplecreek (Remember the River Raisin! (look it up))
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To: jimfree

LOL I remember that one. Made Love Boat seem highbrow.


48 posted on 05/07/2011 6:30:03 PM PDT by Squawk 8888 (Tories in- mission accomplished)
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To: Squawk 8888

I looked at a trip to Toronto from Jackson Michigan. First I have to take a train to Chicago, then back east to Buffalo before getting off the train and taking a shuttle across the border.

I said screw it and drove the 6 hours.


49 posted on 05/07/2011 6:31:30 PM PDT by cripplecreek (Remember the River Raisin! (look it up))
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To: cripplecreek

problem with all of these sill highs peed rail schemes is that there is nothing high speed about them.

110Mph might be high speed in a car, but on the rails high speed to me is 220+mph. It has got to be time cometitive with air travel.

I can be in NYC in about 2 hours including my TSA shakedown.

By train it takes 5 hours, the same amount of time it takes me to drive to Grand Central in mid-town Manhattan.

Want to get me to take the train.... get me to mid-town Manhattan in 2 hours without the body cavity search for under $250 round trip. BTW that price would be booked now for travel on Monday 5/9 @ 06:00. under $150 booked for travel two weeks from today.


50 posted on 05/07/2011 6:32:53 PM PDT by Ouderkirk (Democrats...the party of Slavery, Segregation, Sodomy, and Sedition)
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To: Ronin

Interesting, didn’t know that, but it’s really not surprising.


51 posted on 05/07/2011 6:33:02 PM PDT by MSF BU (YR'S Please Support our troops: JOIN THEM!)
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To: Mike3689

Beautiful scenery along the lake Superior shoreline in Michigan’s UP. Lots of rutted two track but worth every second.


52 posted on 05/07/2011 6:33:59 PM PDT by cripplecreek (Remember the River Raisin! (look it up))
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To: Squawk 8888

The Big Bus in 1976 was intended as a parody - a nuclear powered bus with swimming pool and bowling alley and such. That should have been a clue to the Supertrain producers 3 years later.


53 posted on 05/07/2011 6:38:40 PM PDT by jimfree (In 2012 Sarah Palin will have more quality executive experience than Barack Obama.)
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To: Repeal The 17th

When I was in boarding school in the early 60’s I took the train from Cincy to Cleveland on breaks.....it was wonderful. The dining car had linen tablecloths and wonderful food. There were pullman cars that had couches etc., a great adventure. I won’t take Amtrak for fear that my fond memories of train travel will be ruined.


54 posted on 05/07/2011 6:48:45 PM PDT by estrogen (2012 can't come soon enough)
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To: Mike3689
Some of the most awesome scenery I have ever seen in the states was when I was driving from Kansas to Nevada. I dare a train company to put a rail through there. At one point we actually saw a sign that said “no gas for 120 miles”.

More than a few signs like that out here.

55 posted on 05/07/2011 7:05:15 PM PDT by Inyo-Mono (My greatest fear is that when I'm gone my wife will sell my guns for what I told her I paid for them)
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To: Grunthor

You’ll be happy to know that the trains in Southern California do not smell like urine.


56 posted on 05/07/2011 7:05:43 PM PDT by SoCal Pubbie
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To: Squawk 8888
I agree that the idea of rail travel as a leisure time or recreational venue has great promise, while the attempt to cram it into the commuter/transportation model will inevitable fail. There are numerous local trains which people ride for the fun of it-- scenic, historic, or point destinations like the South Rim of the Grand Canyon.

Here in NE Ohio the Cuyahoga Valley National Park runs a winter time "Polar Express" which has a healthy ticket price and is sold out every night for weeks. It is a micro example but the principle is sound, and who knows--with development of effective ground transport at each end, and five/six dollar gas people might begin to decide that driving everywhere is not such a good deal after all.

57 posted on 05/07/2011 7:08:47 PM PDT by hinckley buzzard (c)
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To: iowamark; george76; Palter

ROFLMAO!

It takes a lot of hard work to become a memorialized ZOTTED Freeper!


58 posted on 05/07/2011 7:13:38 PM PDT by TSgt ("Some folks just need killin'" - Sling Blade (2006))
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To: george76
Most people don't realize it but passenger rail service stopped being profitable in the 1920’s when cars became widely available. So unless Americans are willing to accept drastically higher fares (which they aren't) passenger service wont be viable as long as they can still drive.

I just don't think Americans will give up personal transportation in favor of mass transportation for a long long time..

59 posted on 05/07/2011 7:22:37 PM PDT by montanajoe
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To: aruanan

Yup, sorry, we had to stop to let freight through on leased tracks.


60 posted on 05/07/2011 7:23:41 PM PDT by Der_Hirnfänger
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