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To: Two Kids' Dad

That was my question also, and I searched high and low without success for several weeks to try to find a first-hand account of somebody who said they had held the document.

Yesterday somebody here pointed me to Savannah Guthrie who says she felt the seal and took a photo of the BC. At my blog I’ve got the link to the obamaconspiracy.org article which has the image and links to the NBC web page containing the video and transcript of Guthrie saying she felt the raised seal. That was the first I was able to find of anybody claiming they actually touched the “certified copy”. Based on the photo she took I do believe there was something raised on the BC she saw/felt but it was so indistinct that it could have been just about anything. And it definitely WASN’T the same seal as was on the Factcheck photos of Obama’s alleged COLB.

Anybody who took seriously the need to verify the authenticity of the document would have tried to get good photos of that seal. Yet the only photo I could find was one by J Scott Applewhite which had no distinct signs of a seal. I can’t say for sure, but I suspect that the media may have guessed that the “seal” wasn’t authentic, or else they would have at least MENTIONED it in their news accounts.

And Obama’s people handed out to the press a 6-page packet of photocopies that used SNOPES as the source for Obama’s COLB image - an image that has no seal showing. Probably because they knew the Factcheck seal doesn’t match.

It would be so easy to come up with a credible forgery. Definitely leaves the question of why they posted such a BAD forgery. My gut tells me it’s because they have something planned that will ensure there is no 2012 election.

So anyway, the short answer to your question is that the only report I know of was Savannah Guthrie on NBC verbally claiming that she touched the raised seal. And this analysis I’ve done is based on the photo she took of the document she held.


30 posted on 05/13/2011 2:53:26 PM PDT by butterdezillion (.)
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To: butterdezillion

The HDOH would have been extra careful in placing their seal on it knowing full well the hoopla that would have followed if it wasn’t perfect. They would have made sure not to use an old seal that might have been dirty and they would have pressed it extra hard. No way would they have haphazardly barely made an impression with it.


37 posted on 05/13/2011 3:14:10 PM PDT by bgill (Kenyan Parliament - how could a man born in Kenya who is not even a native American become the POTUS)
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To: butterdezillion

I think that Savannah Guthrie is lying. Miri from WTPOTUS blog wrote a blog that was Blog of the Day at The Post&Email yesterday. She did a very careful analysis of the press gaggle report from the White House that was done by Carney, Bauer and Pfeiffer before 0 had his little speech.

Carney said: Let me just get started. Thank you for coming this morning. I have with me today Dan Pfeiffer, the President’s Director of Communications, as well as Bob Bauer, the President’s White House Counsel, who will have a few things to say about the documents we handed to you today. And then we’ll take your questions. I remind you this is off camera and only pen and pad, not for audio.”

Miri commented:

No photos, so nobody can zoom in later to more closely examine the document they planned to quickly flash at reporters, from the podium? No audio, so any unfortunate or illogical statement made by Obama’s lawyer or spokesperson could later be explained away as something a reporter “misheard”?

Later during the question time:
REPORTER: Will the actual certificate be on display or viewable at any – (laughter.)

Miri says: I had to enlarge that for emphasis. Will the ACTUAL CERTIFICATE be ON DISPLAY OR VIEWABLE? Thank you, anonymous reporter!
Why did they LAUGH? Because they ALREADY knew the answer? The answer: a big FAT NO.

REPORTER: Will the President be holding it?
PFEIFFER: He will not, and I will not leave it here for him to do so.

Miri: Pfeiffer implies that what he holds is the actual certificate. But Obama will NOT hold it; will not avow it; will not recognize it; and Pfeiffer will take it with him before Obama arrives to speak. Why?

PFEIFFER: But it will — the State Department of Health in Hawaii will obviously attest that that is a — what they have on file. …

Miri’s comment:Obama’s spokesperson has just given the HDOH permission to speak on this issue. He’s given permission to ask them to “attest that that is what they have on file.” But even if someone asks, Pfeiffer refers to that OBJECT in his hands, which reporters cannot examine and which will NOT be “on display or viewable.” So the HDOH will not attest to the authenticity of the online pdf or those document copies handed out to the media (as with the COLB).

Please read the whole thing either at Post&Email or WTPOTUS blog.

So if there were no cameras, how did Savannah take a photo?

If no one in the room got to actually examine the thing that was held up for their view and Pfeiffer was not even leaving it for 0 to handle, how did she get to feel the seal? And what a strange thing to say! If you actually got close enough to do what she says you would not have to “feel” the embossed seal, you could see it clearly. I have never seen an official document with an embossed seal where I could not clearly see it with my own eyes!


88 posted on 05/14/2011 5:26:54 PM PDT by Albertafriend
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