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Rule change, please [Baseball collisions at home plate]
Mccovey Chronicles ^ | 5/26/11 | Grant Brisbee

Posted on 05/26/2011 11:57:37 AM PDT by ZGuy

[Buster Posey, last year's Rookie of the Year is out for the season with a broken leg sustained on a collision at the plate last night. This is a major loss to the S.F. Giants. This blog post is in response to that hit.]

Barreling into a catcher adds nothing to the game of baseball. It never has. Every time I'd watch Pete Rose barrel into Ray Fosse, I'd think how messed up it was. It never really hit home until now, but it's the only element of contact in a non-contact sport. It's like the NFL using Scrabble to decide games that are tied after regulation -- it's the exact opposite of how the rest of the game is played.

Take-out slides at second can cause an injury, but there's something more organic about sliding a little late or wide. A player putting his head down and leveling a catcher is legal, and it's nonsense. I understand the logistical aspect -- you can't run through second or third base, so you have to slide,and first base is a force out, so there's no reason to knock the ball out of the first baseman's hands.

But there has to be a way to eliminate crazy-violent collisions at home plate. You can't decimate a catcher in college. They're able to enforce that somehow. There's no way to eliminate contact altogether, but there's a way to eliminate the strategy of plowing into a catcher so hard that he drops the ball. We're storming the administration building, folks. We're going to burn bras and draft cards and effigies, and we'll get this fixed.

After we stop openly weeping.

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1 posted on 05/26/2011 11:57:39 AM PDT by ZGuy
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To: ZGuy

Maybe they should just hit the ball off a tee.


2 posted on 05/26/2011 12:01:05 PM PDT by cripplecreek (Remember the River Raisin! (look it up))
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To: ZGuy

So lets put dresses on em and give a big fuzzy ball to hit so no one gets hurt.


3 posted on 05/26/2011 12:01:16 PM PDT by slumber1 (Don't taze me bro!)
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To: ZGuy

This kills my fantasy team.


4 posted on 05/26/2011 12:02:38 PM PDT by conservativebuckeye
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To: ZGuy
Barreling into a catcher adds nothing to the game of baseball. ....It never really hit home until now, but it's the only element of contact in a non-contact sport.

Not quite. Baserunners routinely barrel into 2nd basemen and/or shortstops in hopes of breaking up double plays. And pitchers have been throwing 90+ mph fastballs into the sides (and occasionally the heads) of batters since the game began.

5 posted on 05/26/2011 12:03:01 PM PDT by Mr. Mojo
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To: ZGuy

“The base paths belonged to me, the runner. The rules gave me the right. I always went into a bag full speed, feet first. I had sharp spikes on my shoes. If the baseman stood where he had no business to be and got hurt, that was his fault.” — Ty Cobb


6 posted on 05/26/2011 12:03:29 PM PDT by ClearCase_guy (The USSR spent itself into bankruptcy and collapsed -- and aren't we on the same path now?)
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To: nutmeg

bookmark


7 posted on 05/26/2011 12:04:00 PM PDT by nutmeg
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To: ZGuy

I wonder, if Grant knows about Ty Cobb?


8 posted on 05/26/2011 12:04:03 PM PDT by razorback-bert (Some days it's not worth chewing through the straps.)
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To: ZGuy

Intended for author of article, not poster. Here it goes.

Take the skirt off Mary.

Use to be fun yelling that out of the dugout back in college.


9 posted on 05/26/2011 12:04:44 PM PDT by gusty
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To: ZGuy

I was in the stadium when Bob Gibson got his leg broken by a return of a fast-ball when he was at the top of his game. There’s a lot of things that can happen in baseball and Pete Rose was just a jerk anyway.


10 posted on 05/26/2011 12:05:04 PM PDT by bkepley
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To: Mr. Mojo
Yes, Baseball IS a contact sport and always has been.

And a dangerous sport to boot.

11 posted on 05/26/2011 12:05:21 PM PDT by Mariner (War Criminal #18)
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To: ZGuy

“Barreling into a catcher adds nothing to the game of baseball. It never has”

What a moronic statement.Sorry pal this is the way baseball among highly paid major league physical specimens are supposed to play the game. Maybe the author should confine himelf to watching senior citizen softball games.


12 posted on 05/26/2011 12:05:38 PM PDT by kenmcg (pROBLEM)
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To: ZGuy
"...it's the only element of contact in a non-contact sport."

Um, plenty of collisions on 1st base (pitchers trying to cover) and 2nd (breaking up a double-play).
Then there's all of the crashing into outfield walls (and outfielders).
If they wanted kid-glove treatment they would have become NFL quaterbacks....

13 posted on 05/26/2011 12:05:59 PM PDT by Psalm 73 ("Gentlemen, you can't fight in here - this is the War Room".)
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To: ZGuy
Agree. But while you're at it:

1. Stop batters from rubbing out the back of the batter's box line. If your foot is out of the box during play YOU'RE OUT. That's the rule. Honor it. These guys are now so far out they are actually getting an interference call on the catcher!!

2. The phantom step-on-second. At least have the balls to call the guy safe! Sheesh!

3. Ask Marlon Byrd how he likes getting beaned,...ON PURPOSE! How about some ejections, massive fines and suspensions!

4. Anyone know where the strike zone is?????? Most umps haven't seen it in years.

5. Who told 2nd basemen that it's easier to catch a fly GOING BACK on it than allowing the Right Fielder to come in on a ball???????????? Pedroia thinks every ball hit in the air is his!!

14 posted on 05/26/2011 12:06:17 PM PDT by Doc Savage ("I've shot people I like a lot more,...for a lot less!" Raylan Givins)
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To: cripplecreek

...wear skirts too!


15 posted on 05/26/2011 12:06:32 PM PDT by TexasCajun
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To: slumber1

You’re not in slumber,...you’re in a COMA!


16 posted on 05/26/2011 12:07:30 PM PDT by Doc Savage ("I've shot people I like a lot more,...for a lot less!" Raylan Givins)
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To: ZGuy

The catcher can always try not BLOCKING the plate.

So if a fielder obstructs the baseline, a base runner is supposed to yield in this author’s view?


17 posted on 05/26/2011 12:07:47 PM PDT by KoRn (Department of Homeland Security, Certified - "Right Wing Extremist")
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To: ZGuy
it's the only element of contact in a non-contact sport.

Clearly, the writer has never been hit by a pitch.

18 posted on 05/26/2011 12:09:17 PM PDT by Colonel_Flagg ("It's hard to take the president seriously." - Jim DeMint)
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To: ZGuy

If internet blowhards would shut their yaps, listen and learn from baseball professionals, they’d know how blocking and sliding works, both from a rules standpoint and a practical playing standpoint.

All other leagues besides the majors have a slightly different concern, they want to teach players and also preserve the ability of players to someday make the majors, and in the case of college, most will not, but they will go on to other careers. The major leagues is where one plays for all the marbles, i.e., it’s the “real deal”. Consequently, in the majors players make the supreme effort out of respect for the game, meaning, don’t be lazy and glamorous like Manny Ramirez, but play for all your worth like Joe DiMaggio. You made it to the big leagues, the pinnacle of baseball, you’re paid more than any other ball players, people all over the nation look to you to go out and really try, not sandbag. Otherwise, quit and let a guy who’s going to give it his all have a shot.

Baseball - sports - if played at the highest level, is not bubble-boy game. People get hurt in professional sports.

For once and for all, I wish the whiners of America would get ignored. The ones who want us living in a foam-padded world with government baby-bottles hanging out of our mouths.

I did not see the video yet; maybe player A did something wrong, mabye player B, maybe neither. In any case, changing the rules to avoid the dangers of sliding would be political correctness that will start to render the game not worth watching, IMHO.

Please leave baseball alone.


19 posted on 05/26/2011 12:11:31 PM PDT by PieterCasparzen (Huguenot)
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To: ZGuy

And would it hurt anyone if they just let the Twins win a game? I’d mean a lot to the guys. I worry about their self esteem.


20 posted on 05/26/2011 12:12:19 PM PDT by DManA
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To: cripplecreek

oh that’s just stupid.


21 posted on 05/26/2011 12:14:12 PM PDT by babble-on
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To: ClearCase_guy

:: If the baseman stood where he had no business to be and got hurt, that was his fault.” — Ty Cobb ::

And the baseball congregation says, “Amen!”


22 posted on 05/26/2011 12:14:48 PM PDT by Cletus.D.Yokel (Islam is a violent and tyrannical political ideology and has nothing to do with "religion".)
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To: ZGuy
Grant Brisbee, San Fransico Girly-Man!


23 posted on 05/26/2011 12:15:03 PM PDT by TexasCajun
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To: ZGuy

I will never forget Kirk Gibson taking out a catcher. When interviewed he said; “All I missed was the crack of the pads” Kirk played Football at MSU and could have played in the NFL


24 posted on 05/26/2011 12:15:55 PM PDT by 70th Division (I love my country but fear my government!)
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To: ZGuy

:: Buster Posey, last year’s Rookie of the Year is out for the season with a broken leg sustained on a collision at the plate last night. This is a major loss to the S.F. Giants. ::

Can I call you a “whaaaaaambulance!”?

The fricking Tigers have been mediocre, at best, for quite a few years...yet, I still root for them day-in and day-out. Would that they would be a mite more aggressive on the paths...could spice things up a bit.


25 posted on 05/26/2011 12:17:19 PM PDT by Cletus.D.Yokel (Islam is a violent and tyrannical political ideology and has nothing to do with "religion".)
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To: ZGuy

While I can’t stand the rule changes in the NFL that will more or less turn it into flag football, if the lockout ever ends, I sort of agree with this.

I never gave it much thought before, but a runner cannot barrel into the first baseman, shortstop, etc., so why should he be allowed to do this to the catcher.

I suppose the fact that catchers wear some protective gear is a factor, but that gear is designed to block baseballs, not fast moving humans.

If they ever do change the rule, they also need to make it illegal for the catcher to block the plate, unless he has the ball in his hand or glove. I thik plate blocking is probably what led to the practice of running over catchers.


26 posted on 05/26/2011 12:17:55 PM PDT by Above My Pay Grade
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To: ZGuy

Rose laid a legal hit on Ray - its baseball, but poor old Ray was never the same after that ...


27 posted on 05/26/2011 12:19:00 PM PDT by Lmo56 (If ya wanna run with the big dawgs - ya gotta learn to piss in the tall grass ...)
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To: ZGuy

I always wondered why they can barrel into the catcher and not the first baseman.


28 posted on 05/26/2011 12:19:45 PM PDT by Baynative (Truth is treason in an empire of lies)
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To: PieterCasparzen

I DID see the play and it wasn’t the collision that hurt him, it was the fact his foot was under his leg and when the collision happened, he rolled over with his foot pinned. Ankles don’t bend backwards.

THAT is why he is out. The collision didn’t do anything to hurt him, it was the position of his leg.

Limp-wristed, dress-wearing, SF girly men writers who know NOTHING about baseball and who probably would LOVE for the teams to look more like the Village People than ball players need to STFU.


29 posted on 05/26/2011 12:21:08 PM PDT by Littlejon
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To: Colonel_Flagg

Hit in chest by line drive. Lost breathe for lo-o-ng time. case of wrong place, wrong time. Suggest author read more Tom Boswell:
“Time Begins on Opening Day” or “How Life Resembles the World Series”


30 posted on 05/26/2011 12:21:18 PM PDT by famousdayandyear (On the 18th of April 75 hardly a man is now alive who remembers)
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To: Colonel_Flagg

Hit in chest by line drive. Lost breathe for lo-o-ng time. case of wrong place, wrong time. Suggest author read more Tom Boswell:
“Time Begins on Opening Day” or “How Life Resembles the World Series”


31 posted on 05/26/2011 12:21:26 PM PDT by famousdayandyear (On the 18th of April 75 hardly a man is now alive who remembers)
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To: ZGuy

“It never really hit home until now”....


32 posted on 05/26/2011 12:21:45 PM PDT by G Larry (I dream of a day when a man is judged by the content of his character)
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To: cripplecreek
Maybe they should just hit the ball off a tee.

No kidding. Maybe I'm "old school", but I recall that the best way to keep someone from barreling you over at the plate was to shove your glove, preferably with the ball in it, right into the face of the guy trying to knock you down. It's amazing how often they didn't do it again.

33 posted on 05/26/2011 12:22:26 PM PDT by andy58-in-nh (America does not need to be organized: it needs to be liberated.)
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Yawn ... Another whiner who used to have Buster Posey on his fantasy team ...
34 posted on 05/26/2011 12:23:19 PM PDT by dread78645 (Evolution. A doomed theory since 1859.)
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To: ZGuy
A SF fan who had no qualms about cheering on Barry Bonds is now crying "no fair!". Priceless.

I'll never forget Pete Rose leveling the now Giant manager at the plate in the 1980 NLCS. I'm sure Bruce will never forget it either.


35 posted on 05/26/2011 12:24:00 PM PDT by WhistlingPastTheGraveyard (Some men just want to watch the world burn.)
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To: Baynative

If first basemen stood in front of the bag we would see more collisions at first.

Freegards


36 posted on 05/26/2011 12:25:03 PM PDT by Ransomed
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To: DManA

And maybe let Danica just win the indy just once


37 posted on 05/26/2011 12:25:43 PM PDT by al baby (Hi Mom!!! May I please be removed from the contribution under review program I will behave Thank y)
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To: ZGuy
We're storming the administration building, folks. We're going to burn bras and draft cards and effigies, and we'll get this fixed. After we stop openly weeping.

No people are more pathetic than SF Bay Area liberals - absolutely none.

38 posted on 05/26/2011 12:26:21 PM PDT by Talisker (When you find a turtle on top of a fence post, you can be damn sure it didn't get there on its own.)
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To: Baynative

Because it’s a force out.


39 posted on 05/26/2011 12:28:55 PM PDT by WhistlingPastTheGraveyard (Some men just want to watch the world burn.)
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To: ZGuy

There is already a rule in place concerning this situation.

“BASE PATH - The base path belongs to the runner EXCEPT when a fielder is in the path attempting to field a batted ball or when a fielder is in the path and in possession of the ball. After a runner has been put out (typically on a force play at second) he has NO rights to the base path. If R1 is put out at second by a long distance, he must duck or get out of the path. If he is hit with the throw while in the path, or makes contact with the fielder who is in the act of throwing, while on his feet, he is guilty. Since he is already out, the runner being played upon is called out. Rule 7.08(b), 7.09(L)”

The catcher does not belong on the base path.


40 posted on 05/26/2011 12:30:42 PM PDT by bad company (There are no illegal guns, just undocumented firearms.)
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To: Talisker

I was making a joke with some liberals about baseball being biased against left-handers because the second baseman must be right-handed and suggested that every other game the runners run clock-wise. They started taking the suggestion seriously.


41 posted on 05/26/2011 12:33:18 PM PDT by bkepley
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To: andy58-in-nh

Yep we played real baseball when I was a kid.


42 posted on 05/26/2011 12:37:43 PM PDT by cripplecreek (Remember the River Raisin! (look it up))
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Video: http://mlb.mlb.com/video/play.jsp?content_id=15201733


43 posted on 05/26/2011 12:39:21 PM PDT by Rio
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To: ZGuy

Let’s put face cages on the batting helmets, too. Just like the ladies use.


44 posted on 05/26/2011 12:41:04 PM PDT by Trod Upon (Obama: Making the Carter malaise look good. Misery Index in 3...2...1)
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To: Lmo56
but poor old Ray was never the same after that ...

He was a classic flash in the pan. If you want to blame his short career on any injury, blame it on the broken neck he received in 1974 while breaking up a clubhouse fight between Reggie Jackson and Billy North.......

The year his shoulder was dislocated in the collision (1970), he never went on the DL and played 42 games in the second half. The year following he went to the All Star game again and won his second Gold Glove.

His average didn't begin to taper off until 72-73......

45 posted on 05/26/2011 12:41:15 PM PDT by Hot Tabasco (It's a beautiful day and I'm glad I can see it in color.......)
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To: conservativebuckeye

“This kills my fantasy team.”

Pick up Yadier Molina or LuCroy (Millwaukee) or Hernandez (Cincy)....all 3 hitting over 300. My son had Posey....I was just looking at the stats of these guys.


46 posted on 05/26/2011 12:44:27 PM PDT by oust the louse (The death of Osama is as mysterious as the life of Obama. just sayin...)
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To: ZGuy

The most non-called infraction in baseball is a catcher without possession of the ball being in the basepath.

Quote from MLB rules “The catcher, without the ball in his possession, has no right to block the pathway “


47 posted on 05/26/2011 12:47:48 PM PDT by Cyman
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To: ZGuy

It’s hell on the nail polish so maybe he has a point.


48 posted on 05/26/2011 12:47:48 PM PDT by jwalsh07
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To: ZGuy

Maybe the catchers should try tagging the runners like the other players do, instead of blocking the plate with their body. You block another base it’s interference. JUst stick the ball and the glove by the plate and tag them when they try to touch the base.


49 posted on 05/26/2011 12:49:21 PM PDT by ez ("Abashed the devil stood and felt how awful goodness is." - Milton, Paradise Lost)
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To: ZGuy

PS: I caught for 12 years and my 10 year old grandson has now caught for three.


50 posted on 05/26/2011 12:50:31 PM PDT by jwalsh07
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