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The Death of the McMansion-When housing market returns, we'll want smaller homes closer together
Slate ^ | May 11, 2011 | Witold Rybczynski

Posted on 05/30/2011 9:29:40 PM PDT by 2ndDivisionVet

The U.S. housing market is going through an adjustment of historic proportions. Before 2006, when the housing slump commenced, American home builders regularly built as many as 2 million new houses annually, rarely less than a million. This amount was needed to keep up with new household formation, immigration, homeowners moving up, and replacement due to obsolescence. Since then the number of new houses built has dropped drastically—the seasonally adjusted annual figure announced by the federal government in February 2011 was about 400,000! What's going on?

The recession, obviously. High unemployment and unease about the economy have made potential first-time homebuyers leery of entering the market, and many have decided to wait on the side lines. Although house prices have fallen, few are convinced that they have bottomed, and no one wants to buy a house and see its price decline. The large number of foreclosed (or about to be foreclosed) houses on the market, which account for no less than four out of 10 sales of existing homes, likewise dampens demand for new houses. And those willing to take the plunge discover that, despite low interest rates, lenders who were burned by the subprime mess now require large down payments. The other chief cause for weak demand is a slowdown in household formation—the U.S. Census reports that the rate of household formation is currently lower than at any time since 1947, as people put off getting married and starting a family. According to my colleague, real estate economist Peter Linneman, the marginal household size, which has historically hovered around two or three, shot up to more than six in 2009 and 2010, the result of doubling-up and moving in with relatives.

Common wisdom is that eventually the housing market will stabilize.....

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TOPICS: Business/Economy; Society
KEYWORDS: economy; energy; home; homeprices; housing; mcmansion; realestate; trends
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To: Prokopton

I like a big house on a big lot. I like more room than I “need”. I like fast cars and fast boats. I like good cigars and good wine. I don’t care if other people don’t like what I like.
Anyone would recognize me as an American.
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Am American for sure.

In Great Britain, the social planner have determined that new standard home size for a family in their Socialist Utopia is going to be 800 sq ft

Central Planning is a wonderful thing .


61 posted on 05/31/2011 1:57:27 AM PDT by rdcbn
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To: 2ndDivisionVet
I am addressing this to young men and young families.

Someone will retort, “Well, not everyone can do this.” Okay, play Captain Obvious if you want to. I know that more families can do this than ever thought about it. Many have never thought about it because (1) they easily succumb to social or family pressure; (2) they want to keep up with the Joneses or they want an immediate image of success; and/or (3) they have no pioneering spirit.

1. Purchase a lot, preferably where zoning is minimal or non-existant.

2. Purchase a small, used, mobile home or motor home.

3. Plan a house. Learn to draw out what you need or want in a house.

Interestingly, there is a place where you can get FREE building plans: The U.S. Department of the Interior, Forestry service. The Forestry service archives and makes available finished plans for many types of buildings they use in national parks. Perhaps State Park people have the same. We have used U.S. Forestry Service plans. With only minor revisions, these plans are often almost instantly permit-able by county building departments.

You can choose plans that allow you to get into an adequate house and get your residency permit relatively quickly, and then you can take time to do your fit and finish, and later, expansions.

From your own income, plan how you will get a house dried- in and finished to the place where you can get the county residence permit INCRAMENTALLY. In increments, I mean, setting aside so much money from your income each week or each month to complete a particular phase of the project.

Example: My wife and I, in 1983 and 1984, acquired building plans from the U.S. Department of Forestry, and planned how we could build the building, which we would fashion in to a house in $600 increments. Every time we had $600 dollars, we completed another phase.

During that time we had a 28 ft. park-model trailer on a 2.5 acre lot. We had already had a well drilled, and I built a septic system myself for about 1/3 the cost that any company could install one for me.

The building plans, with the U.S. Department of Forestry engineering specs and signatures visible, got easy approval by the county with only minor revisions and stipulations.

My site work cost $600.
My underground rough plumbing (stub plumbing) cost $600.
My foundation cost $600. My frame package cost $600.
My roofing cost $600.
My wiring cost me $600.
My insulation cost $600.
My doors and windows cost $600.
My drywall cost $600.00. My flooring cost $600.
My initial kitchen necessities cost $600.
My initial bathroom necessities cost $600.
My initial lighting and elctrical finish cost $600.
My water, electric, and septic hook-up materials cost $600.

So, by that time, we had a small house for which we could get get the county's residence permit for under $8,000.

We continued to improve, fit & finish in $600 increments.

As time went by we added and expanded, and we had a nice home for which we never borrowed one dime from a bank.

Yes, we had already purchased the lot, and it was paid for. We bought it on contract from an individual and paid it off quickly before we began building.

Yes, we had already drilled a well, and that had cost us about as much as the lot.

Yes, we did almost all other labor ourselves. What I didn't know how to do, I learned from manuals I bought or borrowed. Certainly, none of this included the price of my tools, but since I did carpentry work for a living, I already had most tools.

I even dug the hole for a 1,500 gallon septic tank by hand with a shovel(!), and dug the drain field by hand, and did the gravel work in the drain field by hand. I ordered the tank itself ($100.00) which was simply dropped in hole. The county passed it on the first inspection.

We later sold that place and bought a home on two lots in another state with cash. So we have owned two homes debt-free; have never talked to a banker about a mortgage in 35 years of marriage.

62 posted on 05/31/2011 1:58:43 AM PDT by John Leland 1789 (Grateful.)
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To: Smokin' Joe
It may ding your little egos, but we can manage without you (and especially some of the dumb@ssed city-fied rules), not so the other way around.

Hot damn! My backyard is nearly 5000', just the way I like it.
Wish the small town I live next to was another 20 miles away :^)

63 posted on 05/31/2011 1:59:40 AM PDT by The Cajun (Palin, Bachmann, Free Republic, Mark Levin, Rush, Hannity......Nuff said.)
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To: 2ndDivisionVet

Whew... I was wondering what my next house should be.. according to the author, I`ll want a 750-sf, 2-BR, 1-BA townhouse in a “mixed-income” complex in the city.

Of course, “ownership” would be illusory, since the city government would own the land beneath it. I`d need to jump through 15 hoops to get approval to plant a rose bush or lay out a different color mulch.

Internal renovations would be off the table, because the “authorities” would forbid any alterations. Requests for approval of even the slightest improvements would be summarily denied, as attempts to make your home better than that of your neighbors smacks of bougeois elitism... a punishable offense. All living quarters shall remain exactly the same.

And of course “authorities” can enter the structure at any time and cleanse the home of anything deemed to be a tool of corruption. After all, heavy-handed authoritarianism soothes the people and makes them feel secure.

Oh yes.. the life for me.


64 posted on 05/31/2011 3:08:09 AM PDT by ScottinVA (Imagine.... a world without islam.)
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To: Oculus III

Speak for yourself, you urban fool.


65 posted on 05/31/2011 3:09:47 AM PDT by caver (Obama: Home of the Whopper)
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To: balch3
smaller: I can see that. Closer together, not so much.

Agreed...I don't mind a small, comfortable home...but I have no use for neighbors.

66 posted on 05/31/2011 3:14:54 AM PDT by who knows what evil? (G-d saved more animals than people on the ark...www.siameserescue.org.)
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To: Rational Thought
“”As you well know, the key is buyers. Yet, because of Government mandated guidelines, lenders have slowed loan approvals and fundings to a trickle.””

The key is to get the government out of the lending business. (and the borrowing business)... One week after my mortgage was placed with Bank of America, I received a notice that Fannie May had purchased it. No bank would lend at the low interest rates for long term fixed!

67 posted on 05/31/2011 3:21:57 AM PDT by tired&retired
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To: Smokin' Joe

You “reckon”... LOL

Go tune your banjo, Delverance Boy.


68 posted on 05/31/2011 3:42:29 AM PDT by Oculus III
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To: GGpaX4DumpedTea

Where do you live?. Just a general area.


69 posted on 05/31/2011 3:47:37 AM PDT by Dick Vomer (democrats are like flies, whatever they don't eat, they sh#t on.)
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To: GGpaX4DumpedTea
And before you all go off on me for the SS, it is not an entitlement. I earned it. 15% of my pay for 40 years went into it.

All true. It is also true that since last Oct 1, we have been borrowing money from China to pay it (the proceeds from payroll tax are lower than the payouts). That won't work in the long run since China knows we won't pay them back. What will likely happen is the Fed will inflate and the Feds won't index your payment enough and you will fall behind.

70 posted on 05/31/2011 3:54:45 AM PDT by palmer (Cooperating with Obama = helping him extend the depression and implement socialism.)
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To: Oculus III

Pretty good post except you mixed apples and oranges. The “gigantic, socialist freeway systems” that “killed the railroads” can be debated (I happen to like interstate freeways). But they have little to do with suburbs. Those were driven by 20th century industry and post-war housing needs. More modern suburbs such as around DC (I live well outside that mess) are driven by white collar jobs. There’s absolutely no reason to live or work in the city anymore unless you are social worker, forensic pathologist, coroner, or similar occupation.


71 posted on 05/31/2011 4:03:27 AM PDT by palmer (Cooperating with Obama = helping him extend the depression and implement socialism.)
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To: Oculus III

Your left wing nutter rant says it all.


72 posted on 05/31/2011 4:43:59 AM PDT by ncalburt (NO MORE WIMPS need to apply to fight the Soros Funded Puppet !)
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To: 2ndDivisionVet

My crystal ball says that tax payer dollars will continue to be used to buy up foreclosed homes and tear them down, once they go feral and become a blight on the neighborhoods.

Another bail out, if you will.

The banks will sell these houses at inflated prices to either the feds or local gub’mints, they will be tore down, and then tax dollars will be used to build energy efficient homes (read boondoggle) to be given to section 8 and low income people in these established neighborhoods, thus driving property values down even further.

But hey, the banks will get their money, and we’ll be going “eco friendly!” and helping the poor!

Just my crazy prediction.


73 posted on 05/31/2011 4:44:02 AM PDT by esoxmagnum
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To: GGpaX4DumpedTea
I'm not trying to start a pissing contest over SS benefits, but you didn't contribute "15% of [your] pay for 40 years" even taking the stance that the "employer portion" of the taxes paid would have been in your pocket otherwise.

If you look at the tax rate history you'll see that 40 years ago the total tax for a self-employed person was just 7.5%. It's only starting in 1988 when the total tax for a self-employed person reached 15%.

74 posted on 05/31/2011 4:49:56 AM PDT by whd23 (Every time a link is de-blogged an angel gets its wings.)
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To: bgill

We have plenty of houses to go around. We have too many houses to go around. That’s why the price of housing has fallen catastrophically (for many) and is continuing to fall.


75 posted on 05/31/2011 5:02:25 AM PDT by Tax-chick (Oh most loving Father, preserve us from faithless fears and worldly anxieties.)
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To: WhiskeyX
I fully agree with the points that have made here, but would like to add one thing that you left out; most southern homes of times past had high ceilings to allow the hot air to rise above the usable area. Many doors also had a transome above them allowing air to circulate from room to room and exit the home. "Passive cooling" in PC terms.

I have often made the statement that I wish the poor could have moved into the new housing developments and left the wonderful older homes in the old parts town to people that love them, instead of "white flight" and inner city decay.

76 posted on 05/31/2011 5:12:37 AM PDT by rightly_dividing (1 Cor. 15:1-4 Believe it!)
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To: Smokin' Joe

Wonderful post, thank you. You saved me the time.


77 posted on 05/31/2011 5:16:08 AM PDT by reformedliberal
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To: Razzz42

The Leftist McMorons think the market is going to turn around any day now!


78 posted on 05/31/2011 5:16:34 AM PDT by Jack Hydrazine (It's the end of the world as we know it and I feel fine!)
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To: dfwgator

I think I know why the SCOUS passes the emanate domain law,it’s good for business and control.


79 posted on 05/31/2011 5:18:46 AM PDT by Vaduz
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To: 2ndDivisionVet
It's gonna take 10 years plus to dispose of the inventory then who knows how much longer to get back to an economy that supports a housing boom.

Perhaps we'll get some exciting new building styles out of this?


80 posted on 05/31/2011 5:20:16 AM PDT by Rebelbase
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