Posted on 06/20/2011 1:38:05 PM PDT by Jack Black
Sure, and because the PRC is so nice and kind and democratic and decadent they'd just keel over and take it.
Grow up! They'd do whatever they could to get their investment back. You might be surprised at how far they'd go.
Good luck trying to get money to maintain bridges, dams, and highways. You don't want to be around when they start repossesses things, either.
With the US fragmented and the credit of the successor states nonexistent, China becomes the dominant power in the world. Enjoy!
Secession's an "emotivist" thing. It's cutting off your head to spite your face.
People get all emotionally worked up about severing ties with other parts of the country and don't think about the actual consequences of their actions.
Thumbs up you three folks...”Patrick1”, “x” and “allmendream”
We can only hope that the yoke you bear, in the future, will be light, and when the time comes please, please stay out of the way...
I, and a few others may not have a problem distinguishing between patriots, and those who wish to take the middle ground, your Quaker sensibilities will only aggravate the process...
I am obviously not an idiot, or nuts as you state...Some of us have been trying to effect change in the mentality of government by holding those we elect accountable for their actions and effort, and if they fail,most of the time we can replace them in the “normal” way thru elections...I will still try to get it done that way...But the enemies of the state hope we just tire of that effort and sucumb to the tyranny so well camoflaged as hope and change...
But in the mean time, some of us idiots keep a few other options ready to implement...But you would classify that as nuts...And all you do is insult those who truely understand what is at stake...You do not...
But I am sure you’ll have some pithy retort to argue for your apathetic approach to the issue...
Good evening...
You’re joking right?
Secession would not be a peaceful, clean split with most states now fairly evenly divided politically between Libs & Cons. Nor would it be a clean geographic split like the North/South split of the Civil War. Many states would become landlocked or surrounded by FORMER fellow states.
What happens to the state whose population is a close split? It wouldn't take much for the state to become a flip-flopper that secedes, then rejoins the USA. The dissatisfaction of those who reject their state's succession or reunification could very likely lead to civil war, not just between states, but also within states. During the Civil War this was the case for some border states. Missouri was in chaos during this time.
Any serious secession attempt could spawn a general civil war between the “haves” & the “Have nots”, much like the bloody French Revolution. As much as I'd like to believe that conservatives would triumph in such a conflict, there is no guarantee.
” I wonder what effect it would have to shut down all the electricity and other utilities feeding DC? Perhaps block the highways too? “
Interesting thing for discussion
The unity of government which constitutes you one people is also now dear to you. It is justly so, for it is a main pillar in the edifice of your real independence, the support of your tranquility at home, your peace abroad; of your safety; of your prosperity; of that very liberty which you so highly prize. But as it is easy to foresee that, from different causes and from different quarters, much pains will be taken, many artifices employed to weaken in your minds the conviction of this truth; as this is the point in your political fortress against which the batteries of internal and external enemies will be most constantly and actively (though often covertly and insidiously) directed, it is of infinite moment that you should properly estimate the immense value of your national union to your collective and individual happiness; that you should cherish a cordial, habitual, and immovable attachment to it; accustoming yourselves to think and speak of it as of the palladium of your political safety and prosperity; watching for its preservation with jealous anxiety; discountenancing whatever may suggest even a suspicion that it can in any event be abandoned; and indignantly frowning upon the first dawning of every attempt to alienate any portion of our country from the rest, or to enfeeble the sacred ties which now link together the various parts.For this you have every inducement of sympathy and interest. Citizens, by birth or choice, of a common country, that country has a right to concentrate your affections. The name of American, which belongs to you in your national capacity, must always exalt the just pride of patriotism more than any appellation derived from local discriminations. With slight shades of difference, you have the same religion, manners, habits, and political principles. You have in a common cause fought and triumphed together; the independence and liberty you possess are the work of joint counsels, and joint efforts of common dangers, sufferings, and successes.
But these considerations, however powerfully they address themselves to your sensibility, are greatly outweighed by those which apply more immediately to your interest. Here every portion of our country finds the most commanding motives for carefully guarding and preserving the union of the whole.
-- Farewell Address
IMHO..at some point all 50 states will secede from DC....we’re probably past the point that they should already..
A lot of people suffer from the “bias of normalcy”. They think things either aren’t as bad as they are (I wonder why??), or they won’t get worse, or they won’t get “that much” worse. Things will generally muddle along as they have been, the future will be more or less just like the past, etc.
History tells us a different story, and those not suffering from the bias of normalcy see the writing on the wall. I don’t know about secession, but I do know that it’s getting worse, daily; much worse. And the direction leads right off the cliff.
The Federal Boot Lickers can really piss you off, I know. You don’t expect FedGov™ sycophants on Free Republic but there they are, all over the place wringing their little grubby hands tickling keyboards fretting over the secesh...
Liberals won't know what to do, so they will stay in the cities for the most part. Perhaps there will be shortages and hunger, and not knowing how to survive, perhaps they will then form armies to forage, rape, and pillage the immediate surroundings, like in Africa, socialist style, with an Obama/Odinga type dictator tyrant.
Or perhaps there will be an amicable dissolution, live and let live.
Either way, there is no fixing this country, it is already divided. What do we have in common with an Anthony Weiner, or a Nancy Pelosi, or a Barack Obama? Nothing.
We must reclaim our freedom and liberty.
Foremost this is a republic, never forget that. We aren’t city-states, but entire states, i.e. countries, 50 of them.
All of the above is of utmost importance, and none of it is any longer true.
There’s more of us than you think.
In every poll, there are more conservatives than liberals. IN EVERY SINGLE STATE.
That’s not the problem. The problem is that the party that is supposed to represent them has become a false flag.
As I suspected; No replies.
I agree, and believe that is the gist of the article. The politicians that are elected to represent us are two sides of the same statist, elitist, ruling-class coin, and that is not going to change. The past 50 years at least prove that no matter what, government gets bigger and more powerful. We are near the end game.
For god's sake man, they won't even vote to repeal that asinine incandescent light bulb ban! Look at what they do, not what they say.
You are correct. States do not have to secede to go their own way. Its already starting to happen. In another year or so you will see it ramping up big time.
>>” I wonder what effect it would have to shut down all the electricity and other utilities feeding DC? Perhaps block the highways too? “
Interesting thing for discussion<<
The thought has crossed my mind. Four things are necessary: Communications (who, what, when, where and why), capture(roads, utilities, airports, etc.), control (access and shutdown) and commitment.
Remember the Bonus March experience. Their mistake was setting foot IN DC.
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