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The New Barbarians of Secession
DumpDC blog ^ | June 18, 2011 | Russell D. Longcore

Posted on 06/20/2011 1:38:05 PM PDT by Jack Black

The New Barbarians of Secession

When secession finally occurs in the first American state, it will come first from the New Barbarians, not from the state house.

This article explores the definition of the word “Barbarian,” and how I perceive that secession will be moved forward into reality by the New Barbarians.

I am one of the New Barbarians.

From Wikipedia: “Barbarian” is a pejorative term used to refer to a person who is perceived to be uncivilized. The word is often used either in a general reference to a member of a nation or ethnos, typically a tribal society as seen by an urban civilization either viewed as inferior, or admired as a noble savage. In idiomatic or figurative usage, a “barbarian” may also be an individual reference to a brutal, cruel, warlike, insensitive person. The primary function of the word “barbarian”, and its cognates, is to differentiate members of one’s own society from people perceived as being outside of it, and to posit that one’s own culture is superior.

In history, the Barbarians were the Germanic tribes that overthrew the Roman Empire. Rome had become an empire covering most of Europe, the Middle East and North Africa, and the cost of their armies and wars was bankrupting the government. Rome had conquered these vast areas, and conscripted many of the tribal warriors into the Roman armies. But the barbarians never lost their identification with their tribes, and eventually the Visigoths sacked Rome in 410 AD.

The present American society’s elected ruling class is filled with “the cream” of our civilization from bottom to top. But smelling of cologne and wearing expensive suits, they pillage, sack and destroy our free enterprise system through taxation and regulation. So they operate like barbarians under the cover of respectability and the citizens’ acceptance of their roles in the American government. They are the old guard, much like Rome at its end. Bloated, corrupt and hopelessly overextended, the ruling class can see their demise just over the horizon. But they cannot wrap their brains around a solution that includes the breaking apart of the United States of America by secession.

You think that the power structure of Washington doesn’t see the end coming fast? Watch this video from Ready.gov, a division of FEMA.

Dear readers, that “world upside down” video is not just about a tornado or hurricane. It is easy to see how this Public Service Announcement is meant for the coming economic collapse. If the very government causing all of this chaos is telling you openly to prepare for disaster, perhaps you should listen? There is another Ready.gov PSA I just saw in the past few days that is not available to post quite yet. It features a husband and wife being interviewed about how much food they have in the house to survive on in an emergency. They very matter-of-factly state that they have a little rice, some beans, a few cans of tuna, and some canned tomatoes. They seemed blithely unconcerned.

Do you still believe that the ruling class in any state government will voluntarily band together and secede from the Union? Think about all of the ways that Washington taxes and spends. Now consider that most of that taxation and spending is entirely unconstitutional. Now consider that Washington taxes and then sends hundreds of billions of dollars back to the state governments annually so the money can be spent on the local level. From roads to public safety to welfare payments to mortgage guarantees to myriad other programs, your state and local governments are complicit in the crimes of Washington. They are accessories after the fact. If someone steals property and you receive it, you’re as guilty as the perpetrator.

It is impossible for Washington to do what it does without the voluntary cooperation of the 50 state governments. Do not kid yourself. What the states do is entirely voluntary. The state politicians might bitch about unfunded mandates or DC regulations or Supreme Court rulings, but states have ALL the power to resist or just simply stop the Washington madness. But the states do not stop it. What does that tell you?

The ruling class, from bottom to top, cannot fix America. Consider:

1. They cannot forsake fractional reserve banking (counterfeiting). 2. They cannot reign in spending because of entitlement programs. 3. They cannot increase interest rates to curb inflation since that would make the debt payments balloon upward. 4. They cannot stop allowing the Federal Reserve to control the money supply (more counterfeiting). 5. They cannot fund the outstanding and future pension commitments, and cannot cover the pension defaults. 6. They cannot stop selling Treasury bonds to borrow more money, and cannot prevent the inevitable default of the bond market. 7. They cannot cease military expansion and war. 8. They cannot prevent the collapse of the US Dollar as world reserve currency. 9. They reject free-market solutions for all problems, and continue to fiercely defend Keynesian economics. 10. States are so inured to Federal funds that they are unwilling to even try to control Washington.

Witness all the cities, townships, counties and states that are functionally bankrupt. They can thank their betters in Washington for a fiat money system and decades of inflation for their present situation. And they can look in the mirror to see who enabled Washington to become the most criminal government in history. Yes…even more criminal than the USSR. The Soviets did not defraud the entire population of the planet with fiat money. Washington did.

The concept of state secession will have to come from the grassroots…the ordinary people…the great unwashed…the New Barbarians. Politicians are not leaders. My opinion is that a person cannot voluntarily agree to work in a criminal enterprise without becoming a criminal. (Ron Paul, call your office.) And while we all love a story of a bad boy turned good…or of a missionary to the heathen…we cannot expect government shills to voluntarily bite the hand that feeds them and promote a philosophically opposite concept. A few solons might get religion about secession, but I believe that most will oppose it. And the ones that do convert to the church of secession should be watched very carefully, since it would appear that they are simply trying to lead a new parade by running out in front of it. If a politician wanted to convince me of his altered beliefs, let him switch to secession now…while it’s still wildly unpopular.

The New Barbarians will develop as a tribe, rising voluntarily from the citizenry, with individual liberty, property rights and sound money as the organizing and sustaining principles of the tribe. (I wrote about tribes HERE.) For the purpose of this article, the word “tribe” is defined as “a social group comprised of numerous families, clans, or generations together with dependents or adopted strangers, all having a common character, occupation, or interest.” I am not suggesting that the New Barbarians will adopt all the characteristics of tribes. But I am suggesting that the New Barbarians will forsake the old ways of the US Constitution, and begin thinking as a single nation instead of a 50-state confederation. Most of the Constitution doesn’t apply to a single sovereign nation.

Think about secession for just a moment. There is no perceivable benefit for ANY present American state to continue as a member of the United States of America. I issued a challenge long ago for any reader to prove JUST ONE benefit of statehood. I’m still waiting. Yet, ALL of the unsolvable problems created by Washington and enabled by the States EVAPORATE at the moment of secession. No US taxation, no US regulation, no US national debt, no US wars, no more interference from Washington. In one instant, that state’s hard drive is wiped clean and they get to invent THEIR OWN new operating system.

The Founding Fathers of the mid-18th Century were the New Barbarians of their time. Their numbers were small. Their cause was individual liberty and property rights, and to be thirteen sovereign nations. Only 56 men signed the Declaration of Independence. It’s commonly accepted that those in favor of throwing off the tyranny of King George numbered less than 10% of the population of the 13 colonies. The rest of the colonials waited to see who won, and supported the winner.

The archetype of the New Barbarian is Daniel Miller, president of the Texas Nationalist Movement. Miller has been working for years for Texas Independence, not as a cause célèbre, but as a holy calling. He is a businessman from Nederland, Texas, dedicated to convincing his fellow Texans that their state’s highest purpose is as a new sovereign nation, not as just another American state. He crisscrosses Texas, speaking to home meetings as well as big crowds, reminding Texans of their heritage and culture, and offering the hope that Texas could actually escape from America and its coming catastrophic collapse and become a nation once again. In my opinion, the name of Daniel Miller should be at the very top of any list of potential first Presidents of a new Texas nation. Guys like Rick Perry and Ron Paul have careers as part of the problem, not as part of the solution.

The numbers of New Barbarians will explode after the economic collapse in America. There are only a few of us that are presently ideologues promoting secession. But once America descends into chaos, those that rejected the concept of secession will still be looking for answers that work…not more of the same. And they will be desperate, not willing or able to wait for government to offer some lame-assed pseudo-solution, or another Ponzi scheme to replace the one that just collapsed. At that point, the tribe will grow very quickly. Mass migrations of people will occur, as individuals and families pack up and move to the new nations.

One of the topics that most proponents of secession will not talk about is defending a secession by militia. I’m not saying that secession has to be done by some form of physical force, but I’m also not saying that military defense won’t be required. I keep the collapse of the Soviet Union foremost in my mind. Here was a purely communist 15-republic Union that simply dissolved in 1989. The giant Red Army did nothing. The Kremlin was powerless to stop secession. I believe that Washington will likewise be powerless to stop American states from secession. But I believe that DC will only be powerless after the dollar collapses.

The push for secession will come up from the people, not down from the politicians. Political power only acknowledges superior force. If the politicians fear the People, they will carry out the will of the People. When the People fear the government, there is only tyranny.

Secession is the only hope for humanity. Who will be first?

DumpDC. Six Letters That Can Change History.

© Copyright 2011, Russell D. Longcore. Permission to reprint in whole or in part is gladly granted, provided full credit is given.


TOPICS: Politics
KEYWORDS: bhofascism; cwii; cwiiping; donttreadonme; govtabuse; lping; obama; secession; tyranny
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If you graphed the number of articles talking about secession I think it would look like an attractive "buy" line.

A few years ago Walter Williams wrote an article suggesting a divorce, now articles such as this, or entire blog sites devoted to secesssion are more common.

Of course it's a long running strand in American politics, but that doesn't mean it's not a more lively strand now, just as it was in the 1850s.

I've mentioned to friends that, despite all the problems it caused, the dissolution of the USSR was a great victory not just for the world, but for the "member states" of the USSR. It just sort of melted away.

If the dollar dies, as some predict, perhaps we'll see a similar melting here.

1 posted on 06/20/2011 1:38:10 PM PDT by Jack Black
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To: Eaker; afnamvet; AK2KX; Ancesthntr; An Old Man; APatientMan; ApesForEvolution; aragorn; archy; ...

Probably of interest to the list. CWII Ping.


2 posted on 06/20/2011 1:40:37 PM PDT by Jack Black ( Whatever is left of American patriotism is now identical with counter-revolution.)
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To: Jack Black

The credible threat of succession is a good and healthy thing in a Republic.


3 posted on 06/20/2011 1:46:46 PM PDT by Tea Party Reveler
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To: Jack Black

This is my all-time favorite media belly flop of the century. When questioned about Rick Perry’s presidential run, the only anti-Perry issue the Democrats and Obama-sucking media types could come up with was he was a “secessionist”! Hahahahahaha! I absolutely loved it.


4 posted on 06/20/2011 1:52:00 PM PDT by Deb (Beat him, strip him and bring him to my tent!)
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To: Jack Black

“New Barbarians” is the wrong term. That would apply more to us waking up one morning to La Raza dominating Southwestern airwaves declaring the liberation of California et al.


5 posted on 06/20/2011 1:52:37 PM PDT by ctdonath2
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To: Tea Party Reveler

And there has been talk of splitting states into more than one state.

For example, Chicago feels isolated and alienated from downstate Illinois. Imagine if Chicago were its own state.

Ditto with New York City and upstate New York.

Ditto LA and SF Bay area compared to the rest of California.

In the future, you could have an entity which is the liberal states of America. It could comprise everything from the Washington, DC area north along the eastern seaboard to Maine. Another liberal nation could be the Pacific coast states.

And then the remainder of the country could be the conservative states of America.

Rather than seeing state secede on their own, it’s quite possible that liberal regions will form a country out of groups of liberal states.

Now, as of today, secession is unthinkable. If one state took the plunge, then that could open the floodgates.

Open question — if states secede, then who is responsible for the $14 trillion national debt,and untold trillions of unfunded liabilities? The remaining states only? Would states be able to write off their share of the national debt by seceding????


6 posted on 06/20/2011 1:57:58 PM PDT by Dilbert San Diego
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To: Jack Black

Thanks for the ping.


7 posted on 06/20/2011 1:59:09 PM PDT by Vor Lady (Everyone should read The Importance of the Electoral College by Geo. Grant)
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To: Tea Party Reveler

Its not really credible in the sense it was in the 1800s. Today you would need to get a large majority of the states to ditch DC all at once and there are other problems that need to be accounted for.

There aren’t clear lines. There is a lack of precious metals floating around for coinage. All of the states have soldiers stationed all over the world. There are a whole lot of things that are very different than the 1800s.


8 posted on 06/20/2011 2:05:12 PM PDT by cripplecreek (Remember the River Raisin! (look it up))
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To: Jack Black

I’m sorry, but the idea of secession is idiotic.
When did the nuts take over here at FR?

We get birth certificates, Ron Paul, pit bulls and now this.


9 posted on 06/20/2011 2:07:11 PM PDT by Patrick1 ("The problem with Internet quotations is that many are not genuine." - Abraham Lincoln)
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To: Dilbert San Diego

If states secede and the present federal USofA is no more, then those tens of trillions of debt are no more.
China gets it in the shorts!

The free and independent States and new American Confederacies get to start over WITHOUT the socialist baggage.


10 posted on 06/20/2011 2:07:33 PM PDT by Aroostook25
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To: cripplecreek

They don’t have to ditch DC, just follow the 10th amendment.


11 posted on 06/20/2011 2:08:36 PM PDT by Patrick1 ("The problem with Internet quotations is that many are not genuine." - Abraham Lincoln)
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To: cripplecreek
There aren’t clear lines.

THAT is key. There is no Mason-Dixon line. There is no ethnic line. Heck, there is no substantive cultural line.

I keep wishing someone would apply the latest census data to Travis' "civil war cube". Methinks the fault line would become apparent when sufficient data is rendered properly ... at which point the meme would take hold, and the idea's time arrive.

12 posted on 06/20/2011 2:08:45 PM PDT by ctdonath2
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To: Patrick1

+1


13 posted on 06/20/2011 2:09:13 PM PDT by allmendream (Tea Party did not send the GOP to D.C. to negotiate the terms of our surrender to socialism.)
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To: ctdonath2

I think the biggest differences are between rural and urban areas.


14 posted on 06/20/2011 2:12:31 PM PDT by cripplecreek (Remember the River Raisin! (look it up))
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To: cripplecreek

True; the observation had evaded me for the moment.

I’m not sure how Swiss-cheese geography could play out in a civil war.


15 posted on 06/20/2011 2:13:37 PM PDT by ctdonath2
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To: Jack Black

The historical comparison to Rome is vaild in this respect: Rome ceased to be a republic beased upon trade and production and became an empire based upon conquest and loot.

All empires so constructed eventually run out of places to loot and people to enslave.

The question is: can America find its courage once again and rise up and restore the Republic?


16 posted on 06/20/2011 2:27:00 PM PDT by Noumenon ("One man with courage is a majority." - Thomas Jefferson)
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To: Noumenon
The question is: can America find its courage once again and rise up and restore the Republic?

About half of the voting populace voted for 0b0z0. Hard to be optimistic.

17 posted on 06/20/2011 2:31:16 PM PDT by MileHi ( "It's coming down to patriots vs the politicians." - ovrtaxt)
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To: MileHi

True enough, but it only took 3% of the population of the original colonies to fight and defeat the British. We should be able to do better than that this time around. And we’d best be thorough.


18 posted on 06/20/2011 2:32:58 PM PDT by Noumenon ("One man with courage is a majority." - Thomas Jefferson)
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To: Noumenon

I wonder what effect it would have to shut down all the electricity and other utilities feeding DC? Perhaps block the highways too?


19 posted on 06/20/2011 2:36:10 PM PDT by B4Ranch (Allowing Islam into America is akin to injecting yourself with AIDS to prove how tolerant you are...)
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To: Tea Party Reveler

If the nation crumbles it will be because of the heroic effort of Obama and his Marxist brothers who have worked diligently to destroy the economy and the Constitution. Secession begins with Obama. He has forced the ruling class into a trap of their own making. Whether by design or default Obama will bring down our corrupt government.


20 posted on 06/20/2011 2:39:35 PM PDT by Louis Foxwell (This IS my blog site.)
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To: Aroostook25
If states secede and the present federal USofA is no more, then those tens of trillions of debt are no more. China gets it in the shorts!

Sure, and because the PRC is so nice and kind and democratic and decadent they'd just keel over and take it.

Grow up! They'd do whatever they could to get their investment back. You might be surprised at how far they'd go.

Good luck trying to get money to maintain bridges, dams, and highways. You don't want to be around when they start repossesses things, either.

With the US fragmented and the credit of the successor states nonexistent, China becomes the dominant power in the world. Enjoy!

Secession's an "emotivist" thing. It's cutting off your head to spite your face.

People get all emotionally worked up about severing ties with other parts of the country and don't think about the actual consequences of their actions.

21 posted on 06/20/2011 3:06:24 PM PDT by x
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To: Patrick1; x; allmendream; Jack Black; B4Ranch

Thumbs up you three folks...”Patrick1”, “x” and “allmendream”

We can only hope that the yoke you bear, in the future, will be light, and when the time comes please, please stay out of the way...

I, and a few others may not have a problem distinguishing between patriots, and those who wish to take the middle ground, your Quaker sensibilities will only aggravate the process...

I am obviously not an idiot, or nuts as you state...Some of us have been trying to effect change in the mentality of government by holding those we elect accountable for their actions and effort, and if they fail,most of the time we can replace them in the “normal” way thru elections...I will still try to get it done that way...But the enemies of the state hope we just tire of that effort and sucumb to the tyranny so well camoflaged as hope and change...

But in the mean time, some of us idiots keep a few other options ready to implement...But you would classify that as nuts...And all you do is insult those who truely understand what is at stake...You do not...

But I am sure you’ll have some pithy retort to argue for your apathetic approach to the issue...

Good evening...


22 posted on 06/20/2011 3:46:37 PM PDT by stevie_d_64 (I'm jus' sayin')
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To: stevie_d_64

23 posted on 06/20/2011 3:50:58 PM PDT by allmendream (Tea Party did not send the GOP to D.C. to negotiate the terms of our surrender to socialism.)
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To: Tea Party Reveler
I don't think the US can continue or survive with socialists having power in and out of the government. Socialism is unconstitutional and Americans have not surrendered the constitution. If socialism wins, the constitution dies. The ideology and culture of American freedom and the ideology and culture of socialism are not reconcilable. If the socialists have managed to bring down this country through a foreign policy of military globe trotting/Nation building and foreign purchase/bribery; and brought down the economy with the corrupt loans for the poor bankster disaster; and wrecked society with an ever expanding, unafforable and oppressive government and a socilaist ideology of race-based tribalism , it is time to split the Nation. When it falls, it must split if America is ever to rise and thrive again.
24 posted on 06/20/2011 3:51:29 PM PDT by SaraJohnson
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To: stevie_d_64

You’re joking right?


25 posted on 06/20/2011 4:29:24 PM PDT by Patrick1 ("The problem with Internet quotations is that many are not genuine." - Abraham Lincoln)
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To: cripplecreek
I agree.

Secession would not be a peaceful, clean split with most states now fairly evenly divided politically between Libs & Cons. Nor would it be a clean geographic split like the North/South split of the Civil War. Many states would become landlocked or surrounded by FORMER fellow states.

What happens to the state whose population is a close split? It wouldn't take much for the state to become a flip-flopper that secedes, then rejoins the USA. The dissatisfaction of those who reject their state's succession or reunification could very likely lead to civil war, not just between states, but also within states. During the Civil War this was the case for some border states. Missouri was in chaos during this time.

Any serious secession attempt could spawn a general civil war between the “haves” & the “Have nots”, much like the bloody French Revolution. As much as I'd like to believe that conservatives would triumph in such a conflict, there is no guarantee.

26 posted on 06/20/2011 5:05:31 PM PDT by Mister Da (The mark of a wise man is not what he knows, but what he knows he doesn't know!)
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To: stevie_d_64
"Thumbs up you three folks...”Patrick1”, “x” and “allmendream” We can only hope that the yoke you bear, in the future, will be light, and when the time comes please, please stay out of the way... I, and a few others may not have a problem distinguishing between patriots, and those who wish to take the middle ground, your Quaker sensibilities will only aggravate the process... I am obviously not an idiot, or nuts as you state...Some of us have been trying to effect change in the mentality of government by holding those we elect accountable for their actions and effort, and if they fail,most of the time we can replace them in the “normal” way thru elections...I will still try to get it done that way...But the enemies of the state hope we just tire of that effort and sucumb to the tyranny so well camoflaged as hope and change... But in the mean time, some of us idiots keep a few other options ready to implement...But you would classify that as nuts...And all you do is insult those who truely understand what is at stake...You do not... But I am sure you’ll have some pithy retort to argue for your apathetic approach to the issue... Good evening..." Photobucket
27 posted on 06/20/2011 5:38:41 PM PDT by SVTCobra03 (You can never have enough friends, horsepower or ammunition.)
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To: B4Ranch

” I wonder what effect it would have to shut down all the electricity and other utilities feeding DC? Perhaps block the highways too? “

Interesting thing for discussion


28 posted on 06/20/2011 5:40:52 PM PDT by stephenjohnbanker (God, family, country, mom, apple pie, the girl next door and a Ford F250 to pull my boat.)
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To: Jack Black
I think the wisdom of George Washington is superior:

The unity of government which constitutes you one people is also now dear to you. It is justly so, for it is a main pillar in the edifice of your real independence, the support of your tranquility at home, your peace abroad; of your safety; of your prosperity; of that very liberty which you so highly prize. But as it is easy to foresee that, from different causes and from different quarters, much pains will be taken, many artifices employed to weaken in your minds the conviction of this truth; as this is the point in your political fortress against which the batteries of internal and external enemies will be most constantly and actively (though often covertly and insidiously) directed, it is of infinite moment that you should properly estimate the immense value of your national union to your collective and individual happiness; that you should cherish a cordial, habitual, and immovable attachment to it; accustoming yourselves to think and speak of it as of the palladium of your political safety and prosperity; watching for its preservation with jealous anxiety; discountenancing whatever may suggest even a suspicion that it can in any event be abandoned; and indignantly frowning upon the first dawning of every attempt to alienate any portion of our country from the rest, or to enfeeble the sacred ties which now link together the various parts.

For this you have every inducement of sympathy and interest. Citizens, by birth or choice, of a common country, that country has a right to concentrate your affections. The name of American, which belongs to you in your national capacity, must always exalt the just pride of patriotism more than any appellation derived from local discriminations. With slight shades of difference, you have the same religion, manners, habits, and political principles. You have in a common cause fought and triumphed together; the independence and liberty you possess are the work of joint counsels, and joint efforts of common dangers, sufferings, and successes.

But these considerations, however powerfully they address themselves to your sensibility, are greatly outweighed by those which apply more immediately to your interest. Here every portion of our country finds the most commanding motives for carefully guarding and preserving the union of the whole.

-- Farewell Address


29 posted on 06/20/2011 5:47:27 PM PDT by EternalVigilance (Tea Party: 'Give us our country back.' - GOP: 'Give us our power back.' Two very different things..)
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To: Jack Black

IMHO..at some point all 50 states will secede from DC....we’re probably past the point that they should already..


30 posted on 06/20/2011 5:49:39 PM PDT by mo ("If you understand, no explanation is needed; if you do not, no explanation is possible")
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To: stevie_d_64

A lot of people suffer from the “bias of normalcy”. They think things either aren’t as bad as they are (I wonder why??), or they won’t get worse, or they won’t get “that much” worse. Things will generally muddle along as they have been, the future will be more or less just like the past, etc.

History tells us a different story, and those not suffering from the bias of normalcy see the writing on the wall. I don’t know about secession, but I do know that it’s getting worse, daily; much worse. And the direction leads right off the cliff.


31 posted on 06/20/2011 5:52:34 PM PDT by little jeremiah (Courage is not simply one of the virtues, but the form of every virtue at the testing point. CSLewis)
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To: stevie_d_64

The Federal Boot Lickers can really piss you off, I know. You don’t expect FedGov™ sycophants on Free Republic but there they are, all over the place wringing their little grubby hands tickling keyboards fretting over the secesh...


32 posted on 06/20/2011 5:57:08 PM PDT by central_va ( I won't be reconstructed and I do not give a damn.)
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To: Dilbert San Diego
States are not liberal. Cities are liberal. The larger the city, the more liberal. In other words, the enemy is massed, and it's hard to say how that will shake out. They will either be converted and leave the cities, or go all in for the hive.

Liberals won't know what to do, so they will stay in the cities for the most part. Perhaps there will be shortages and hunger, and not knowing how to survive, perhaps they will then form armies to forage, rape, and pillage the immediate surroundings, like in Africa, socialist style, with an Obama/Odinga type dictator tyrant.

Or perhaps there will be an amicable dissolution, live and let live.

Either way, there is no fixing this country, it is already divided. What do we have in common with an Anthony Weiner, or a Nancy Pelosi, or a Barack Obama? Nothing.

We must reclaim our freedom and liberty.

33 posted on 06/20/2011 6:03:05 PM PDT by ecomcon
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To: ecomcon

Foremost this is a republic, never forget that. We aren’t city-states, but entire states, i.e. countries, 50 of them.


34 posted on 06/20/2011 6:24:28 PM PDT by central_va ( I won't be reconstructed and I do not give a damn.)
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To: EternalVigilance
With slight shades of difference, you have the same religion, manners, habits, and political principles. You have in a common cause fought and triumphed together; the independence and liberty you possess are the work of joint counsels, and joint efforts of common dangers, sufferings, and successes.

All of the above is of utmost importance, and none of it is any longer true.

35 posted on 06/20/2011 6:27:25 PM PDT by ecomcon
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To: ecomcon

There’s more of us than you think.

In every poll, there are more conservatives than liberals. IN EVERY SINGLE STATE.

That’s not the problem. The problem is that the party that is supposed to represent them has become a false flag.


36 posted on 06/20/2011 6:35:02 PM PDT by EternalVigilance (Tea Party: 'Give us our country back.' - GOP: 'Give us our power back.' Two very different things..)
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To: stephenjohnbanker

As I suspected; No replies.


37 posted on 06/20/2011 6:56:32 PM PDT by B4Ranch (Allowing Islam into America is akin to injecting yourself with AIDS to prove how tolerant you are...)
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To: EternalVigilance
The problem is that the party that is supposed to represent them has become a false flag.

I agree, and believe that is the gist of the article. The politicians that are elected to represent us are two sides of the same statist, elitist, ruling-class coin, and that is not going to change. The past 50 years at least prove that no matter what, government gets bigger and more powerful. We are near the end game.

For god's sake man, they won't even vote to repeal that asinine incandescent light bulb ban! Look at what they do, not what they say.

38 posted on 06/20/2011 7:13:51 PM PDT by ecomcon
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To: Patrick1

You are correct. States do not have to secede to go their own way. Its already starting to happen. In another year or so you will see it ramping up big time.


39 posted on 06/20/2011 9:51:36 PM PDT by Georgia Girl 2 (The only purpose of a pistol is to fight your way back to the rifle you should never have dropped.)
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To: stephenjohnbanker

>>” I wonder what effect it would have to shut down all the electricity and other utilities feeding DC? Perhaps block the highways too? “

Interesting thing for discussion<<

The thought has crossed my mind. Four things are necessary: Communications (who, what, when, where and why), capture(roads, utilities, airports, etc.), control (access and shutdown) and commitment.

Remember the Bonus March experience. Their mistake was setting foot IN DC.


40 posted on 06/21/2011 2:46:10 AM PDT by NTHockey (Rules of engagement #1: Take no prisoners)
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To: Georgia Girl 2

Rather than secession, we should try nullification first.


41 posted on 06/21/2011 2:47:09 AM PDT by NTHockey (Rules of engagement #1: Take no prisoners)
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To: Patrick1

Are you??? Because I didn’t intend my analysis to be a joke...

You and the other middle-grounders may find iteasy behind the anonymity of your keyboard there to scoff at the potential problems arising from a secessionist atmosphere...And you insolt the peolpe who are amiable to the concept, yet you still have no solution to the issue...

I was only pointing out that you do not wish to have any part of a potential change that might very well be the only real option some people believe in, or at least entertain...

I stated that I do my dirty work within the system, and I have been doing it for years, from inside the party...Now is the mark of success in that effort attributing to my entertaining such a drastic measure of sucession??? Yep...

But I made it clear that I intend to continue to effect change within the system...I am also prepared to support a sucession effort as well...

You obviously think this is all a joke...To which I figured you might just want to stay out of the way for your own safety...You are probably not effected as much as other Americans by the “tyrrany of good intentions” by our government, to which I beg you to just stay out of the way of efforts to correct the deficiencies of our elected government...

Some people are still willing to fight for your care free future...Maybe you should reflect and show appreciation for that sacrifice, instead of saying some of us are idiots or nuts as you so well annunciate...


42 posted on 06/21/2011 7:54:18 AM PDT by stevie_d_64 (I'm jus' sayin')
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To: allmendream

You should know best...


43 posted on 06/21/2011 7:56:53 AM PDT by stevie_d_64 (I'm jus' sayin')
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To: EternalVigilance; Jack Black; stephenjohnbanker; stevie_d_64; Patrick1; allmendream; B4Ranch; ...

RE Washington’s Address “...With slight shades of difference, you have the same religion, manners, habits, and political principles. You have in a common cause fought and triumphed together; the independence and liberty you possess are the work of joint counsels, and joint efforts of common dangers, sufferings, and successes...”

This was true back then, and for a while afterwards. But now...not so much.

We have allowed the liberal/socialist/communist mentality to exist, under the protection of the 1st Amendment, to attack and wither our society from within - “..the batteries of internal and external enemies will be most constantly and actively (though often covertly and insidiously) directed...”

I don’t believe in secession; I believe in a Patton-esque mentality - that of taking BACK what is OURS, and making the other dumb bastards leave.

I say F*** THEM.

Let’s see how determined THEY are to fight for what THEY believe in. And what exactly DO they believe in? Being a “Citizen of the World”?? Being “The New Communist Man?” Being a good little UN drone, or apparatchnik?

THAT’s worth fighting and dying for??? I think not.

A free man, an American Man, backed into a corner and fighting for his liberty, is a dangerous thing to ANY totalitarian mindset.

I’m an American. You all are too. Our ancestors lived and died fighting for this country and for the idea of this country. They lost arms, legs, eyes, pieces of their bodies and years of their lives for generations to come after them. For the IDEA of America - the idea that we ARE better, we ARE just and fair, we ARE the Last Best Hope. That no matter what your background, no matter where you came from or how shitty your life was, you still have an equal shot at making yourself into a success - not a guarantee that it will happen, but an equal shot at it. The idea that we have a set of rules to live by, and rights enumerated, and that politicians as well as “the little guy” are held accountable to the SAME set of rules. I know - that part of the dream has been corrupted - but only because WE haven’t dragged the bastards out of their offices and thrown them in jail EVERY TIME one of them stole from the public treasury (like they would do to US) or committed treason with a foreign enemy, or deliberately tried to incite racial, class, gender hatred to get re-elected.

WE let it happen - because we didn’t quickly, forcefully, and impartially enforce “the rules” that were handed down to us. We waited for “the proper authorities” to act - when WE ARE THE PROPER AUTHORITIES in the first place. WE are the First Responders - and we fell down on the job. We let the corrupt become the police force of the corrupt. They investigate themselves, and find nothing at all wrong.

We weren’t paying attention, and neither were our parents, nor our grandparents - because then as now, we’re all caught up in trying to make a living and keep the lights on and make sure the kids have food in their bellies and clothes on their backs.

Not to mention the mindless distractoins, drivel and minutia of day-to-day living in a ten-second attention span society.

But here’s the rub, folks - There isn’t anywhere else to run to; this is IT.

Seceed? To where? As poster “X” pointed out - the ChiComs are DYING for us to disintegrate and will do everything possible to facilitate that. Again, F*** them. We have internal enemies that would GLADLY roll over and spread their legs for these b*stards. Our task is to eliminate the internal enemies that would make it possible for the ChiComs to harm us.

Being an American is worth fighting and dying for. I was BORN an American, I LIVE as an American, and I will DIE as an American, and nothing else.

This is OUR country. Our ancestors, our blood, MADE it a nation. Our people are buried here. Our homes are here.

I say this - instead of secession, make the other side leave - make THEM seceed. Make it so miserable and uncomfortable for that mentality that they take their stupid ideology back across the oceans where it came from. Make them take their class, gender, race conflict tactics, their stupid wealth redistribution schemes, and their baiting and dividing schemes back to the sh*tholes they idolize so much.

While the system is workable, we use it to force them out of office, out of authority, out of ANY position where they can cause undue damage. And the system still IS workable - look at the way both sides FREAKED about the Tea Party, and how the RINOs immediately tried to co-opt it.

That’s the only secession I believe in - making THEM seceede from OUR land, from offices and positions of authority, from legislating, etc.

Failing that, well, by any means necessary, then.

But us leaving is not an option. To me, that’s like running away.

I just wasn’t brought up like that. I don’t think anyone out here was brought up that way.

One team, one fight, people.


44 posted on 06/21/2011 9:35:49 AM PDT by NFHale (The Second Amendment - By Any Means Necessary.)
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To: NFHale

Secession? Nope. It’s all-or-nothing.
Posted by Ann Barnhardt - June 10, AD 2011 8:49 AM MST
(Originally posted June 23, AD 2010)

I have received many emails and have heard much talk about the U.S. breaking into two countries - one Constitutional Republic built on a foundation of Judeo-Christian principles consisting of the Mountain, Central and Southern states (essentially a continuation of the original United States of America), and a Marxist-Socialist-Atheist confederation consisting of the Pacific Coast states, the Upper Midwest (IL, MI, WI) and the New England states.

While it is sorely tempting to think about drop-kicking the liberal states and going our seperate ways, the reality is that this would be a MASSIVE mistake, and would almost certainly set in motion a chain of events that would end Western Civilization.

If this sort of “divorce” were to happen, we all know that the New U.S. (NUS) would thrive while the Marxist Confederation (MC) would quickly fail catastophically. When that failure happened, the MC would come begging to the NUS to bail it out. Now, you might be thinking, “Screw ‘em. They made their bed, now they can sleep in it. They’ll get no help from us.” That’s a knee-jerk reaction, and it would be the WRONG reaction. Why? Because if the NUS turned down the MC’s requests for help, who would be the ONLY other nation capable of bailing out the MC? China. And as we should all understand with crystal clarity, the liberals in the MC states would be, without question, idiotic enough to actually INVITE the Chinese to take over their economy, and eventually their land - purely as a “peacekeeping force” to control the food shortage riots, you understand. So, in order to stave off Chinese involvement in North America, we would have to bail the MC out anyway. It’s a textbook “damned if you do, damned if you don’t”.

In the event of a divorce wherein the NUS didn’t prop up the MC, the ports of San Diego, Los Angeles, San Francisco, Portland and Seattle would be completely vulnerable, and eventually would be thrown wide open to a cold invasion. The same could also be said for the East Coast ports. Boston, New York and Washington D.C. would be vulnerable and/or invite a “peacekeeping force” from the U.N., probably led by Russia. Now we need to talk military tactics. Assume that what I have just laid out actually came to pass. The NUS and Constitutionalist refugees from the MC states are now compressed into the geographic center of the continent. To the west lies the Chinese Army. To the east lies the UN/Russian army.

This is called a “Strategic Flanking”. In fact, this would be the largest strategic flanking in world history. To be “flanked” is very, very bad. If you are fighting any sort of battle, you want to keep your adversary in front of you at all times and your sides CLEAR. You must NEVER allow the adversary to move along your sides (flanks). Combat tacticians are CONSTANTLY looking for a way to move their troops in such a way so that they “gain the flanks”. Once a force loses its flanks, it becomes nearly impossible (without a massive advantage in weaponry) to escape. The most famous tactical flanking in history was executed by Hannibal at the Battle of Cannae in 216 BC. With fewer than 40,000 men, Hannibal drew the Roman army of 90,000 men into his center, and then wrapped around their flanks on both sides, thus forming a semi-circle around the Romans. By doing this, Hannibal was able to COMPLETELY DESTROY the Roman army with fewer than HALF the number of men.

The most famous strategic flanking to date is probably the flanking of Nazi Germany by the Soviet army to the east and the Allies to the west. While this involved the entire European continent, the flanking I describe above on the North American continent would dwarf the Nazi flanking in size and scope. It is not hard to imagine a massive Chinese force pushing and compressing the NUS from the west, eventually wrapping around the northern flank, with a UN/Russian force compressing from New England in a southwesterly direction, pushing the people of the NUS south towards the Gulf of Mexico, and utter defeat.

Given these obvious tactical realities, I hope that one and all now see that the UNION MUST BE PRESERVED. The United States of America MUST remain intact from “sea to shining sea”. It is all-or-nothing for us. Amicable divorce is NOT an option. We can not allow Marxism to establish any quarter, even in the spirit of “compromise” and the avoidance of possible hostilities, because that “compromise” and “avoidance” would be to sign our own death warrants, and the death warrant of Western Civilization. It would be far better to fight a war of national preservation than to fight a war against a conquering Sino-Russian invasion.

How sick is it that I have to post this crap? I’m a 34 year old single woman. I should be planning my next business move, or thinking about recreational travel. Instead, I’m standing here, mid-morning on a Friday, writing essays on secession dynamics and military tactics for the North American theater. This is the living, breathing definition of FUBAR. God save us.


45 posted on 06/21/2011 9:49:24 AM PDT by B4Ranch (Allowing Islam into America is akin to injecting yourself with AIDS to prove how tolerant you are...)
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To: NFHale

One of the best rants I’ve ever seen on FR.

All I can say it “amen.”


46 posted on 06/21/2011 9:49:26 AM PDT by EternalVigilance (Tea Party: 'Give us our country back.' - GOP: 'Give us our power back.' Two very different things..)
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To: B4Ranch

She’s excellent. A Patriot.


47 posted on 06/21/2011 9:51:46 AM PDT by NFHale (The Second Amendment - By Any Means Necessary.)
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To: B4Ranch
Given these obvious tactical realities, I hope that one and all now see that the UNION MUST BE PRESERVED. The United States of America MUST remain intact from “sea to shining sea”. It is all-or-nothing for us. Amicable divorce is NOT an option. We can not allow Marxism to establish any quarter, even in the spirit of “compromise” and the avoidance of possible hostilities, because that “compromise” and “avoidance” would be to sign our own death warrants, and the death warrant of Western Civilization.

Very well said.

48 posted on 06/21/2011 9:52:34 AM PDT by EternalVigilance (Tea Party: 'Give us our country back.' - GOP: 'Give us our power back.' Two very different things..)
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To: EternalVigilance

One team, one fight.

The enemy is out THERE.


49 posted on 06/21/2011 9:53:02 AM PDT by NFHale (The Second Amendment - By Any Means Necessary.)
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To: NFHale
"From whence shall we expect the approach of danger? Shall some trans-Atlantic military giant step the earth and crush us at a blow? Never. All the armies of Europe and Asia...could not by force take a drink from the Ohio River or make a track on the Blue Ridge in the trial of a thousand years. No, if destruction be our lot we must ourselves be its author and finisher. As a nation of free men we will live forever or die by suicide."

-- Abraham Lincoln


50 posted on 06/21/2011 9:57:34 AM PDT by EternalVigilance (Tea Party: 'Give us our country back.' - GOP: 'Give us our power back.' Two very different things..)
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