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Jumbo jet forced to make screeching halt at JFK to avoid Egypt Air plane
Daily Mail (UK) ^ | June 22, 2011

Posted on 06/22/2011 7:32:06 AM PDT by ConservativeStatement

A Jumbo jet, with 286 passengers on board, had a terrifying near miss when it was forced to screech to a halt to avoid colliding with another plane that had turned into its path.

The Lufthansa Boeing 747 was accelerating along a runway as it prepared to take off at Kennedy Airport, New York, when it narrowly avoided slamming into an EgyptAir Boeing 777.

(Excerpt) Read more at dailymail.co.uk ...


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KEYWORDS: 747; airegypt; airplanes; aviation; boeing; egyptair; jfk; lufthansa
Obama said the Lufthansa pilot was "speaking Austrian" and "acted stupidly." /s

(admins: headline was shortened)

1 posted on 06/22/2011 7:32:08 AM PDT by ConservativeStatement
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To: ConservativeStatement

sounds like another act of airline jihad from our Egyptian brotherhood.


2 posted on 06/22/2011 7:35:56 AM PDT by Sioux-san
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To: ConservativeStatement

“Airport controllers believe the EgyptAir jet made a wrong turn, ending up in the path of the German Lufthansa plane”

Someone better set the explosives sniffing dogs on that EgyptAir buggy!


3 posted on 06/22/2011 7:36:18 AM PDT by SMARTY ("Educate men without religion and you make of them but clever devils. " Arthur Wellesley)
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To: ConservativeStatement

Was the Egyptian pilot screaming “Allah Akbar!” at the time?


4 posted on 06/22/2011 7:36:20 AM PDT by PapaBear3625 ("It is only when we've lost everything, that we are free to do anything" -- Fight Club)
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To: ConservativeStatement

was the Egyptair pilot praying?
Or did he just think he didnt have to listen to some stupid infidel? (was the ATC female? just wondering)


5 posted on 06/22/2011 7:36:45 AM PDT by silverleaf (All that is necessary for evil to succeed, is that good men do nothing)
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To: ConservativeStatement

This has shades of the disaster at Tenerife when Pan Am & KLM 747’s collided in fog and blew up.


6 posted on 06/22/2011 7:38:30 AM PDT by Col Frank Slade
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To: SMARTY

Runway incursions are a great way to lose your license. The Egypt Air pilots will probably never fly in the US again.


7 posted on 06/22/2011 7:40:56 AM PDT by Thane_Banquo
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To: ConservativeStatement
Here is the full title:

Recently-built German jumbo jet airliner with 286 passengers (who were very shaken and made many mobile phone calls) forced and compelled to make screeching halt with tires smoking and rubber burning (although the tires are rated to for a high level of friction coeffeciant) at JFK to avoid Egypt Air plane which had taken wrong turn on runway due to inattentiveness of both the tower and the pilots who are being checked for drugs and alcohol due to the odd nature of this event


8 posted on 06/22/2011 7:41:51 AM PDT by Lazamataz ("First we beat the Soviet Union. Then we became them." -- Lazamataz, 2005)
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To: Thane_Banquo

we can only hope for that


9 posted on 06/22/2011 7:42:09 AM PDT by Sioux-san
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To: ConservativeStatement

Much more accurate details of the incident here:
http://avherald.com/h?article=43e82b1d

FYI, it was NOT a Lufthansa Boeing 747, but an Airbus A340-600.


10 posted on 06/22/2011 7:52:33 AM PDT by sillsfan (Reagan and Sarah are right- WE win, they lose!)
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To: Col Frank Slade

KLM captain Jacob van Zanten…quite possibly the worst “top” pilot in the history of aviation.


11 posted on 06/22/2011 7:52:50 AM PDT by Niteranger68 (Jared Lee Loughner - Disciple of Michael Moore)
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To: ConservativeStatement
Egypt air???

well golllly....must be those Amish again


12 posted on 06/22/2011 7:53:33 AM PDT by Vaquero ("an armed society is a polite society" Robert A. Heinlein)
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To: ConservativeStatement
A Jumbo jet, with 286 passengers on board, had a terrifying near miss

"When two planes almost collide, they call it a 'near miss.' It's a 'near hit.' A collision is a 'near miss.'" - George Carlin

13 posted on 06/22/2011 7:56:43 AM PDT by dfwgator
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To: dfwgator

it missed...but it was near (whew)...

semantics


14 posted on 06/22/2011 7:58:56 AM PDT by Vaquero ("an armed society is a polite society" Robert A. Heinlein)
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To: sillsfan

This just in: the Daily Mail totally screws the pooch on an article about aviation. Shocking, I know. (Articles like that remind me while the DM has great pictures of bikini-clad celebrities, as a factual newspaper, they’re about six notches behind the Weekly World News.)

Anyway, that Egyptair pilot is probably in deep falafel. This happened at 6:52 pm local, so it was still daylight. Visibility was 10 miles, no precipitation, no fog. Somehow, the Egyptair 777 captain mistook runway 04L/22R for a taxiway? Or realized his mistake but turned left onto the runway anyhow? That is a monumental screw-up. And if he wasn’t cleared to cross 22R, but told to turn left on taxiway B but missed the turn and durped his way out onto 22R, that’s all him, not the controllers.

I’ll bet the Lufthansa crew about soiled themselves when they suddenly saw that 773 less than a mile ahead of them. This could’ve been hella ugly.

}:-)4


15 posted on 06/22/2011 8:04:52 AM PDT by Moose4 ("By all that you hold dear on this good Earth, I bid you stand, Men of the West!")
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To: Moose4

Durped?


16 posted on 06/22/2011 8:19:44 AM PDT by Vendome ("Don't take life so seriously... You'll never live through it anyway")
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To: Moose4

The FAA “map” of the airport is here to help other follow -

http://204.108.4.16/d-tpp/1106/00610AD.PDF


17 posted on 06/22/2011 8:32:57 AM PDT by az_gila
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To: ConservativeStatement

If it was a “near miss”, then they must have collided.


18 posted on 06/22/2011 8:41:49 AM PDT by murron (Proud Mom of a Marine Vet)
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To: silverleaf
was the ATC female? just wondering

The ATC heard in the recording is in fact a woman.

The U.S. Air Force replaced male voice warnings with female ones when they found that the mostly young male fighter pilots responded more alertly to those voices. It is very possible that pilots from Arab and Islamic countries have the opposite reaction.

19 posted on 06/22/2011 8:57:06 AM PDT by Jeff F
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To: Jeff F

I’ve experienced the arrogance of male arabs and other 3rd worlders) who simply refused to recognize or follow any orders from a woman


20 posted on 06/22/2011 9:17:28 AM PDT by silverleaf (All that is necessary for evil to succeed, is that good men do nothing)
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To: Jeff F

I’ve experienced the arrogance of male arabs (and other 3rd worlders) who simply refused to recognize or follow any orders from a woman


21 posted on 06/22/2011 9:17:52 AM PDT by silverleaf (All that is necessary for evil to succeed, is that good men do nothing)
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To: Sioux-san
Egypt Air 990
22 posted on 06/22/2011 9:54:34 AM PDT by WhistlingPastTheGraveyard (Some men just want to watch the world burn.)
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To: WhistlingPastTheGraveyard

The story is archived. I got this from wiki ... [edit]Flight recorder data
The cockpit voice recorder (CVR) recorded the Captain excusing himself to go to the lavatory, followed thirty seconds later by the First Officer saying in Egyptian Arabic “Tawkalt ala Allah”, which translates to “I rely on God.” A minute later, the autopilot was disengaged, immediately followed by the First Officer again saying, “I rely on God.” Three seconds later, the throttles for both engines were reduced to idle, and both elevators were moved three degrees nose down. The First Officer repeated “I rely on God” seven more times before the Captain is suddenly heard to ask repeatedly, “What’s happening, what’s happening?” The flight data recorder reflected that the elevators then moved into a split condition, with the left elevator up and the right elevator down. At this point, both engines were shut down by moving the start levers from run to cutoff. The Captain asked, “What is this? What is this? Did you shut the engines?” The First Officer did not respond. The Captain repeatedly stated, “Pull with me” but the FDR data indicated that the elevator surfaces remained in a split condition (with the left surface commanding nose up and the right surface commanding nose down) until the FDR and CVR stopped recording. There were no other aircraft in the area. There was no indication that an explosion occurred on board. The engines operated normally for the entire flight until they were shut down. From the presence of a western debris field about 1,200 feet (370 m) from the eastern debris field, the NTSB concluded that the left engine and some small pieces of wreckage separated from the airplane at some point before water impact.[1]


23 posted on 06/22/2011 10:17:25 AM PDT by InvisibleChurch (everything is almost done being unwound)
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To: Lazamataz

All we need is the tape from ground control to know who screwed up. It could be the pilot, ground control or both.


24 posted on 06/22/2011 10:56:40 AM PDT by cpdiii (Deckhand, Roughneck, Geologist, Pilot, Pharmacist, Iconoclast: THE CONSTITUTION IS WORTH DYING FOR.)
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To: cpdiii

In 1997, my late wife and I flew to/from Cairo on an EgyptAir 777. Nine hours outbound and 14 coming back (both non-stop from JFK. I’d never even seen one before; it’s like a flying city. Looking back, they MIGHT have served us donkey steak.


25 posted on 06/22/2011 11:18:55 AM PDT by Ax
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To: cpdiii
All we need is the tape from ground control to know who screwed up. It could be the pilot, ground control or both.

Can you believe it? It's already on YouTube!

26 posted on 06/22/2011 1:29:44 PM PDT by Lazamataz ("First we beat the Soviet Union. Then we became them." -- Lazamataz, 2005)
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To: ConservativeStatement

I’m sure it was only an accident.


27 posted on 06/22/2011 2:56:13 PM PDT by SaraJohnson
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