Skip to comments.Jumbo jet forced to make screeching halt at JFK to avoid Egypt Air plane
Posted on 06/22/2011 7:32:06 AM PDT by ConservativeStatement
A Jumbo jet, with 286 passengers on board, had a terrifying near miss when it was forced to screech to a halt to avoid colliding with another plane that had turned into its path.
The Lufthansa Boeing 747 was accelerating along a runway as it prepared to take off at Kennedy Airport, New York, when it narrowly avoided slamming into an EgyptAir Boeing 777.
(Excerpt) Read more at dailymail.co.uk ...
(admins: headline was shortened)
sounds like another act of airline jihad from our Egyptian brotherhood.
“Airport controllers believe the EgyptAir jet made a wrong turn, ending up in the path of the German Lufthansa plane”
Someone better set the explosives sniffing dogs on that EgyptAir buggy!
Was the Egyptian pilot screaming “Allah Akbar!” at the time?
was the Egyptair pilot praying?
Or did he just think he didnt have to listen to some stupid infidel? (was the ATC female? just wondering)
This has shades of the disaster at Tenerife when Pan Am & KLM 747’s collided in fog and blew up.
Runway incursions are a great way to lose your license. The Egypt Air pilots will probably never fly in the US again.
we can only hope for that
Much more accurate details of the incident here:
FYI, it was NOT a Lufthansa Boeing 747, but an Airbus A340-600.
KLM captain Jacob van Zanten quite possibly the worst top pilot in the history of aviation.
well golllly....must be those Amish again
"When two planes almost collide, they call it a 'near miss.' It's a 'near hit.' A collision is a 'near miss.'" - George Carlin
it missed...but it was near (whew)...
This just in: the Daily Mail totally screws the pooch on an article about aviation. Shocking, I know. (Articles like that remind me while the DM has great pictures of bikini-clad celebrities, as a factual newspaper, they’re about six notches behind the Weekly World News.)
Anyway, that Egyptair pilot is probably in deep falafel. This happened at 6:52 pm local, so it was still daylight. Visibility was 10 miles, no precipitation, no fog. Somehow, the Egyptair 777 captain mistook runway 04L/22R for a taxiway? Or realized his mistake but turned left onto the runway anyhow? That is a monumental screw-up. And if he wasn’t cleared to cross 22R, but told to turn left on taxiway B but missed the turn and durped his way out onto 22R, that’s all him, not the controllers.
I’ll bet the Lufthansa crew about soiled themselves when they suddenly saw that 773 less than a mile ahead of them. This could’ve been hella ugly.
The FAA “map” of the airport is here to help other follow -
If it was a “near miss”, then they must have collided.
The ATC heard in the recording is in fact a woman.
The U.S. Air Force replaced male voice warnings with female ones when they found that the mostly young male fighter pilots responded more alertly to those voices. It is very possible that pilots from Arab and Islamic countries have the opposite reaction.
I’ve experienced the arrogance of male arabs and other 3rd worlders) who simply refused to recognize or follow any orders from a woman
I’ve experienced the arrogance of male arabs (and other 3rd worlders) who simply refused to recognize or follow any orders from a woman
The story is archived. I got this from wiki ... Flight recorder data
The cockpit voice recorder (CVR) recorded the Captain excusing himself to go to the lavatory, followed thirty seconds later by the First Officer saying in Egyptian Arabic “Tawkalt ala Allah”, which translates to “I rely on God.” A minute later, the autopilot was disengaged, immediately followed by the First Officer again saying, “I rely on God.” Three seconds later, the throttles for both engines were reduced to idle, and both elevators were moved three degrees nose down. The First Officer repeated “I rely on God” seven more times before the Captain is suddenly heard to ask repeatedly, “What’s happening, what’s happening?” The flight data recorder reflected that the elevators then moved into a split condition, with the left elevator up and the right elevator down. At this point, both engines were shut down by moving the start levers from run to cutoff. The Captain asked, “What is this? What is this? Did you shut the engines?” The First Officer did not respond. The Captain repeatedly stated, “Pull with me” but the FDR data indicated that the elevator surfaces remained in a split condition (with the left surface commanding nose up and the right surface commanding nose down) until the FDR and CVR stopped recording. There were no other aircraft in the area. There was no indication that an explosion occurred on board. The engines operated normally for the entire flight until they were shut down. From the presence of a western debris field about 1,200 feet (370 m) from the eastern debris field, the NTSB concluded that the left engine and some small pieces of wreckage separated from the airplane at some point before water impact.
All we need is the tape from ground control to know who screwed up. It could be the pilot, ground control or both.
In 1997, my late wife and I flew to/from Cairo on an EgyptAir 777. Nine hours outbound and 14 coming back (both non-stop from JFK. I’d never even seen one before; it’s like a flying city. Looking back, they MIGHT have served us donkey steak.
I’m sure it was only an accident.
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