This Is HUGE News: Defkalion Press Conference

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[Kevmo]

Thanks for the comment. Let’s say you were doing exactly that, buying a third party electrical generation system for a small town in Xanthi, Greece. What companies would be your first choice? This group has 400M euros so the money is there. Someone had expressed interest in tracking this kind of information down to see if this is a legit operation.

[Kevmo]

That’s what most people are saying.

But my interest is, how can I take advantage of this one way or another? Let’s say you visited the Wright brothers in 1904 and knew what they had... what would you invest in? Or let’s say this thing is such a huge con that the whole Greek guvmint is gonna go down when it hits, what sort of investment could you make to cash in on their stupidity?

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[Kevmo]

I totally agree.

If it’s a fraud, I hope the chicoms get hit the hardest.

[Kevmo]

Then if this is real, the big game changer will be desalination, run the water through for steam, condense it and push it out the back as irrigation.

[Wonder Warthog]

"It’s having a whole steam supply system. If you don’t treat the water and recycle the condensate, you have much higher water usage and maintenance on the boiler. If you do treat the water and recycle the condensate, you have a lot of other equipment required. It’s just not as simple as some try to make it."

For a large scale system, I agree with you. But on a smaller scale, I doubt more would be necessary than a mixed-bed ionic exchange column on feed and recycle. Remember, it is the intent of Defkalion to service the gizmos every six months and "recharge" the "catalyst", so also checking and/or changing out the demin cartridge(s) wouldn't be much more of an "add-on". And most big companies these days largely don't do their own utility maintenance. "Ye Huge Chemical Company" that I worked for for quite a few years generated most of their own electricity (Chlor-Alkali production was part of their product mix, so they needed LOTS of power). Nalco made a lot of money from their service contract.

I suspect that when you factor in the ability of such a small-scale system to provide hot water, home heating and cooling in addition to electricity, that the smaller individual units might be more economical than one might think. Certainly the "Backwoods Home" types would love'em.

I keep thinking that this is going to revolutionize the "moble home" market in a big way. The biggest drawback to "boondocking" is the need for a reliable supply of electricity. Picture a steam-electric system big enough to drive the motor home in motion, and throttled back when parked to provide all the electricity and heat (or AC) you'd ever want.

[Wonder Warthog]

"Google MYT engine. He has not had much luck making an internal combustion engine but he has been running a unit that would run on steam for years."

I've seen it. A bit outside my universe of expertise, but, as they used to say on "Laugh-in"....."vvvveerrryyy eeennnttteerresstiiinnggg".

[PapaBear3625]

A 1 MW system would not be economical. It’s too small. The operator and maintenance cost alone for such a low power (1 MW) system would make the electricity very expensive. The footprint of all of this equipment would be acres, not square feet. There’s a reason that power plants are built large.

This is why I think their best bet is to have their early customers be district heating systems (where a central plant supplies steam for heating a neighborhood, town, or city). They would get maximum profitability where the ratio of fuel costs to capital costs are high.

Next step would be to retrofit one of the many existing coal-fired power plants scheduled to shut down because the EPA regulations are impossible to comply with (after the Dems lose power, so they don't dream up new ways to kill it).

All this assumes the e-cat really works and is not an elaborate scam, of course.

[PapaBear3625]

It’s not just the turbine that’s a challenge. It’s having a whole steam supply system. If you don’t treat the water and recycle the condensate, you have much higher water usage and maintenance on the boiler. If you do treat the water and recycle the condensate, you have a lot of other equipment required. It’s just not as simple as some try to make it.

Agreed. The steam cycle in a power plant is complex, and there's a lot of capital costs in the turbine, generator, condenser, etc, etc. Which is why they might try taking an existing coal power plant and replacing the coal boiler with an e-cat unit.

[dangerdoc]

Basically works like a traditional engine except all the cylinders share the same circular donut, he claims many advantages but basically it lets you cram the same displacement into about 1/10th the space and it is a much simpler design requiring fewer machined parts.

He has demonstrated impressive torque and horsepower with supplied compressed air. Basically, the steam engine to turn the generator would be at least as small as the equivalent turbine without the need for exotic materials.

[dangerdoc]

Water is a challenging working fluid for a heat engine. There are alternatives that would provide a simpler setup. Your air conditioner is a reverse heat engine that is a closed system, works for years with minimal maintenance, does not take up much space and is affordable for the average person.

[Wonder Warthog]

"Basically works like a traditional engine except all the cylinders share the same circular donut, he claims many advantages but basically it lets you cram the same displacement into about 1/10th the space and it is a much simpler design requiring fewer machined parts."

All true. The only thing that I see truly difficult are the pistons themselves. I would think they would have to have curved walls rather than straight as today's engines have, and that radius of curvature would have to precisely match the "cylinder" curvature. Hard to do with old-fashioned lathe/mill machining, but with today's CNC stuff...."duck soup" to do.

[Wonder Warthog]

"There are alternatives that would provide a simpler setup. Your air conditioner is a reverse heat engine that is a closed system, works for years with minimal maintenance, does not take up much space and is affordable for the average person."

Yeah, but the EPA probably won't let us use any of the Freons. I suspect water will still be used in the secondary loop to actually run the engine, but that the fluid in the E-Cat itself will probably be non-aqueous.

[aruanan]

A. Xanthoulis: "We can say that we start" President Alekos Xanthoulis company initially said that "For 1.5 years we have started this effort in time to present. Indeed the first time I saw this device that produces energy from "nothing" totally believed Professor Rossi. He was questioned and many audits by international organizations, but no longer as an industry standard and we can say that we start, "he said. In parallel, inter alia, noted that the effort has a national character by referring to "a light will come and we want to be ours and not the IMF.

I am reminded of the alien's translated speech in Mars Attacks!!:

ALL GREEN OF SKIN... 800 CENTURIES AGO. THEIR BODILY FLUIDS INCLUDE THE BIRTH OF HALF-BREEDS. ...SELF-DETERMINATION OF THE COSMOS. FOR DARK IS THE SUEDE... THAT MOWS LIKE A HARVEST.

[Kevmo]

Which is why they might try taking an existing coal power plant and replacing the coal boiler with an e-cat unit.

***That’s what I’d do. It seems like several coal firing plants shut down every quarter, they could pick these up for pennies on the dollar.

[Mr170IQ]

> Agreed. The steam cycle in a power plant is complex, and there’s a lot of capital costs in the turbine, generator, condenser, etc, etc. Which is why they might try taking an existing coal power plant and replacing the coal boiler with an e-cat unit.

I’ve been following the reports on the e-Cat for a while now.

The problem with that idea is that if the e-Cat actually works as claimed, it can only provide heat at up to about 400-450 degrees Celsius (supposedly the ‘nanostructure’ which enables the catalyst breaks down at higher temperatures). Although I am not an expert, I have read that typical coal-fired power plants operate at steam temperatures between 550 and 600 degrees Celsius.

This would mean that the coal-plant’s turbine would produce substantially (about 30% to 40%) less electricity operating with 400 degree steam, than it would when operating with hot steam.

[PapaBear3625]

Yes, operating at 400°C has lower thermal efficiency than 550°C. Rossi allegedly has stated that the max temp and pressure is "550 °C, 50 bars".

Even if it has a practical limitation of 400°C, if we're retrofitting an existing coal plant, we could retain the superheater stage, and have the e-cat make the steam, and have coal fire bring it up to 600°C.

[Mr170IQ]

Thanks - I hadn’t seen that report. I had been looking at second and third hand reporting of this.

Obviously, if the e-Cat works, the main limitation about how fast we can move away from other energy sources will be how quickly production of these units can be scaled up to the billions.

Until supply catches up with demand, simple economic theory suggests that e-Cat selling price will go up until it approaches parity with other energy sources.

[SunkenCiv]

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Nickel_hydrogen_battery
http://www.aero.org/publications/thaller/thaller-1.html
http://www.saftbatteries.com/Technologies_Nickel_NiH2_328/Default.aspx
http://www.grc.nasa.gov/WWW/RT/RT1999/5000/5420miller.html
http://www.aiaa.org/content.cfm?pageid=360&id=1751

[SunkenCiv]

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