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To: fireman15

I agree with you that bullying is not an effective way to win people to your point of view.

I was personally attacked, by my count, 63 times in 5 days (yes, I ended up counting), after trying to make rational arguments in regard to some of this stuff. Okay, I realize I was kind of raining on the parade of quite a few people who want to believe all of what Donofrio and the other birther guys write. And I probably should’ve just ignored accusations of being an obot and a troll, instead of responding to a lot of them. Still, as far as I see, the vast majority of such attacks and conflicts - I certainly don’t say all, but most - seem to be started by birthers against fellow freepers who are trying to make rational arguments and rational analysis to honestly say whether there’s really anything there or not.

So what happens if we find that none of the birther arguments make sense? At some point, we’ll have to move on. I’m not arguing that we have to do that now. We’ve still got a good deal of time before election season heats up to talk more about this.

I just hope we can do so in a civil manner.


86 posted on 07/01/2011 10:23:32 PM PDT by Jeff Winston (Run, Sarah... Run, and win.)
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To: Jeff Winston

“I certainly don’t say all, but most - seem to be started by birthers against fellow freepers who are trying to make rational arguments and rational analysis to honestly say whether there’s really anything there or not.”

My perception of this comes to the opposite conclusion. All of these threads immediately attract a dedicated group of Obama appologists who post a bunch of Alinsky type ridicule followed by the same disproven talking points along with irrelevant links that do nothing but waste other people’s time. I find the term “birther” offensive and a transperant attempt to lump all persons who question Obama’s fraudulant personal narrative together. This small group of Obama appologists tend to make arguments as rational as the celebrated hosts from Comedy Central or the MSM.


99 posted on 07/01/2011 11:16:12 PM PDT by fireman15 (Check your facts before making ignorant statements.)
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To: Jeff Winston

“I must conclude birthers are too stupid to read.”

Your buddy Mr. Rogers making rational arguments in the thread Butterdzillion just posted a link to:

“Only an idiot would believe a case involving a woman’s right to vote under the equal protection clause of the 14th Amendment is a binding statement of the meaning of NBC.”

“But then, someone who can read more than one sentence will not be a birther.”

“any court would laugh at you.”


103 posted on 07/01/2011 11:38:27 PM PDT by fireman15 (Check your facts before making ignorant statements.)
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