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To: DTogo
My understanding is that approved and signed treaties become part of US law, hence the UN/treaty route instead of attempting to pass a bill/law through congress.

No, it still requires a two-thirds vote of the Senate to go into force, so it doesn't work as a way to do an end run around the legislature, and besides some experts say that a treaty conflicting with the Constitution would be null and void, i.e. a treaty is not interpreted as a mini-amendment if there is a Constitutional conflict.

13 posted on 07/16/2011 12:34:10 PM PDT by Still Thinking (Freedom is NOT a loophole!)
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To: Still Thinking

Because the rats smell a turnover in the senate in 2012, they know they’ve got to hustle.

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18 posted on 07/16/2011 12:52:32 PM PDT by Dick Bachert (The 2012 election is coming. Seems we have MORE TRASH TO REMOVE!)
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To: Still Thinking; null and void

Your name came up again....


20 posted on 07/16/2011 1:38:28 PM PDT by Vendome ("Don't take life so seriously... You'll never live through it anyway")
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To: Still Thinking
I'm not a lawyer or a Constitutional scholar, just a simple Army officer who swore an Oath to uphold and defend the Constitution against all enemies foreign and domestic.
29 posted on 07/16/2011 2:49:37 PM PDT by DTogo (High time to bring back the Sons of Liberty !!)
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To: Still Thinking
No, it still requires a two-thirds vote of the Senate to go into force, so it doesn't work as a way to do an end run around the legislature, and besides some experts say that a treaty conflicting with the Constitution would be null and void, i.e. a treaty is not interpreted as a mini-amendment if there is a Constitutional conflict.

You would be correct.

There is a basic principle of constitutional interpretation regarding "surplusage."

Basically, every sentence in the Constution must mean something and not conflict with any other part.

Applying that principle to an international treaty that would modify portions of the Constitution requiring an amendment, the principle would favor the treaty being illegal/unconstitutional...

since there is a section of the Constitution that creates a mechanism for modification - the amendment process - that process must be followed to modify the document and no other provision of the document can be used as a mechanism to modify it. (IOW, an international treaty)

allowing an international treaty to have the effect of modifying the constitution makes the amendment process surplusage (uncessary) and therefore that treaty would be null and void.

I probably didn't explain that very well...sorry...first year Con Law was a long time ago in a galaxy far, far away.

I'm surprised our Constitutional Scholar in Chief didn't jump on this right away and put the UN on notice that the treaty won't fly here in the US. /SARCASM

33 posted on 07/16/2011 9:28:48 PM PDT by Abundy
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