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Progressivism: Socialism and Democracy are one in the same
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Posted on 07/20/2011 1:17:43 PM PDT by ProgressingAmerica

Ann Coulter recently wrote a book regarding the left's mob mentality. Well, what does the mob want? Other people's money. Watch them riot. What do they do? They try to grab as much of other peoples' money as they can.

In 1887, Woodrow Wilson wrote an essay titled "Socialism and Democracy". It's very short, I recorded the entire thing in 13 minutes. Here is what Wilson has to say:

Roundly described, socialism is a proposition that every community, by means of whatever forms of organization may be most effective for the purpose, see to it for itself that each one of its members finds the employment for which he is best suited and is rewarded according to his diligence and merit, all proper surroundings of moral influence being secured to him by the public authority. 'State socialism' is willing to act though state authority as it is at present organized. It proposes that all idea of a limitation of public authority by individual rights be put out of view, and that the State consider itself bound to stop only at what is unwise or futile in its universal superintendence alike of individual and of public interests. The thesis of the states socialist is, that no line can be drawn between private and public affairs which the State may not cross at will; that omnipotence of legislation is the first postulate of all just political theory.

Applied in a democratic state, such doctrine sounds radical, but not revolutionary. It is only an acceptance of the extremest logical conclusions deducible from democratic principles long ago received as respectable. For it is very clear that in fundamental theory socialism and democracy are almost if not quite one and the same. They both rest at bottom upon the absolute right of the community to determine its own destiny and that of its members. Men as communities are supreme over men as individuals.

It gets worse:

Democracy is bound by no principle of its own nature to say itself nay as to the exercise of any power. Here, then, lies the point. The difference between democracy and socialism is not an essential difference, but only a practical difference — is a difference of organization and policy, not a difference of primary motive. Democracy has not undertaken the tasks which socialists clamour to have undertaken; but it refrains from them, not for lack of adequate principles or suitable motives, but for lack of adequate organization and suitable hardihood: because it cannot see its way clear to accomplishing them with credit.
Seeing this, now it becomes so clear as to why so many modern progressives have as their rallying cry - "democracy". If they can just re-organize society so that it tells you what to do, how, when and so forth to do it, and it's all passed into law in a democratic way, then they can justify their beliefs because they've been enshrined into law.

As if anybody can truly argue that the rule of law has triumphed here.


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1 posted on 07/20/2011 1:17:44 PM PDT by ProgressingAmerica
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To: ProgressingAmerica

Perhaps this is one of the reasons our nation was founded as a Constitutional Republic instead of as a Democracy.


2 posted on 07/20/2011 1:22:03 PM PDT by WayneS (Enlightened statesmen will not always be at the helm. -- James Madison)
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To: ProgressingAmerica
So according to Wilson, it would be perfectly legal and moral if a majority voted to round up a minority and put them all to death or into slavery. And this is the political basis of the party that enjoys the unwavering support of American Blacks and American Jews.

When does logic enter the equation?

3 posted on 07/20/2011 1:34:08 PM PDT by muir_redwoods (Somewhere in Kenya, a village is missing an idiot)
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To: ProgressingAmerica
They try to grab as much of other peoples' money as they can.

Some crats don't want to take your wealth because stealing is morally wrong. Instead they will settle for destroying it. Arguably destruction is morally more repugnant than stealing but they don't see it that way. Their motive is to reduce their painful feelings of envy. Swapping for painful feelings of guilt does not work for them. So they need 1) poor people as a socially acceptable excuse to take your stuff (there are always poor people), and 2) a bloated government to shred 50% of the wealth right off the top. Of course the government beast willing cooperates. Everybody wins but you, the mark.

4 posted on 07/20/2011 1:36:35 PM PDT by Reeses (Obamacare: do not resuscitate)
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To: muir_redwoods
When does logic enter the equation?

It's the same logic the Soviets used to starve the Ukraines.

5 posted on 07/20/2011 1:38:22 PM PDT by techcor (I hope Obama succeeds, in being a one term president.)
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To: muir_redwoods

>> So according to Wilson, it would be perfectly legal and moral if a majority voted to round up a minority and put them all to death or into slavery.

Exactly, thats what Democracy is. Once 51% of the people figure out they can vote to sieze the wealth of the other 49%, its all over. There is no law to protect you from the mob. This is an excellent video on forms of government that explains it very well http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=DioQooFIcgE


6 posted on 07/20/2011 1:44:27 PM PDT by bigtoona
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To: Reeses

Take a look at Cuba or North Korea or any of the commie states: 99% of the population suffer and live in horrible conditions as slaves, 1% live in luxury as part of the ruling class oligarchy.

It never starts out that way though, the poor are sold on the utopian vision and they get free stuff for a while. Then they keep voting for more until the money runs out..


7 posted on 07/20/2011 1:51:51 PM PDT by bigtoona
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To: bigtoona

RINOS= JUdenrat


8 posted on 07/20/2011 2:03:51 PM PDT by screaminsunshine (Socialism...Easier said than done.)
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To: ProgressingAmerica
the absolute right of the community to determine its own destiny and that of its members. Men as communities are supreme over men as individuals.

Madison and Jefferson considered the natural rights of the individual as absolute because they are God-given, and as having primacy over the majority and the state.

9 posted on 07/20/2011 2:10:24 PM PDT by mjp ((pro-{God, reality, reason, egoism, individualism, natural rights, limited government, capitalism}))
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To: bigtoona

Leftists think fondly of Cuba because in Cuba there is no envy. That makes it a utopia, a society free from the painful unhappiness of envy. Finally they can enjoy happiness without being tormented by their neighbors. To them Cuba is a success story and the model they want to impose on the USA. Leftism is a race to the bottom where universal misery is happy to have company.


10 posted on 07/20/2011 2:13:43 PM PDT by Reeses (Obamacare: do not resuscitate)
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To: ProgressingAmerica

Wilson is quite correct. Socialism and Democracy are identical twins, bastard children of the same evil parents, Greed and Envy, and until Democracy is properly restrained and controlled, it is a mortal threat to Western Civilization.


11 posted on 07/20/2011 2:13:46 PM PDT by Jim Noble (Freedom is the freedom to say 2+2=4. If that is granted, all else follows.)
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To: ProgressingAmerica; Dick Bachert; dajeeps
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Me. Now.

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12 posted on 07/20/2011 3:01:29 PM PDT by ProgressingAmerica (What's the best way to reach a you tube generation? Put it on you tube!)
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To: mjp

Wilson wrote several things disparaging of the founders and our documents. I have those in my huge stack of notes, keep an eye on my postings going forward.


13 posted on 07/20/2011 3:02:03 PM PDT by ProgressingAmerica (What's the best way to reach a you tube generation? Put it on you tube!)
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To: ProgressingAmerica

one ‘and’ the same


14 posted on 07/20/2011 3:11:31 PM PDT by fnord (Republicans are just the right-wing of the left-wing of American politics)
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