Posted on 07/24/2011 4:46:45 PM PDT by Whenifhow
Mitch McConnell is a failed human being.
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“Super Congress” means goodbye free country
6 from each party? Let me guess... McCain, McConnell, Snowe, Graham, Browne, and Boehner for GOP?
LOL. Ridiculous. First, they hadn't "just" freed themselves from British rule. The war was over in 1783. The colonies continued under their existing government until 1789, when the Constitution having been ratified, was put into action.
Second, their charter did anything BUT "carefully define" powers. "Necessary and proper" clause? "general welfare" clause?
Third, separation of powers was NOT a novel idea. The states had republican governments, with an executive and a legislative branch. They had a judiciary. The only thing novel was the pretense that federalism was something other than nationalism--that the states would be anything more than mere counties under the new system.
The purpose of the Constitution was to enlarge the central government, to make it a complete, consolidated government, and to make sure it had dominion over the states.
But hey, if you like fairy tales, then just ignore me.
very likely
No way that could be Constitutional
Constitution - Section 7 - Revenue Bills, Legislative Process, Presidential Veto
All bills for raising Revenue shall originate in the House of Representatives; but the Senate may propose or concur with Amendments as on other Bills.
Every Bill which shall have passed the House of Representatives and the Senate, shall, before it become a Law, be presented to the President of the United States; If he approve he shall sign it, but if not he shall return it, with his Objections to that House in which it shall have originated, who shall enter the Objections at large on their Journal, and proceed to reconsider it. If after such Reconsideration two thirds of that House shall agree to pass the Bill, it shall be sent, together with the Objections, to the other House, by which it shall likewise be reconsidered, and if approved by two thirds of that House, it shall become a Law. But in all such Cases the Votes of both Houses shall be determined by Yeas and Nays, and the Names of the Persons voting for and against the Bill shall be entered on the Journal of each House respectively. If any Bill shall not be returned by the President within ten Days (Sundays excepted) after it shall have been presented to him, the Same shall be a Law, in like Manner as if he had signed it, unless the Congress by their Adjournment prevent its Return, in which Case it shall not be a Law.
Every Order, Resolution, or Vote to which the Concurrence of the Senate and House of Representatives may be necessary (except on a question of Adjournment) shall be presented to the President of the United States; and before the Same shall take Effect, shall be approved by him, or being disapproved by him, shall be repassed by two thirds of the Senate and House of Representatives, according to the Rules and Limitations prescribed in the Case of a Bill.
“just ignore me”
That is the intelligent portion of your post.
There’s nothing I said that isn’t true.
Another thread on this issue:
We Dont Need No Steenking Constitution
http://www.freerepublic.com/focus/f-news/2753313/posts
There is no way to curb the power of this bloated behemoth of a government through elections, because what they can’t win at the ballot box, they regulate so they get their way. Exhibit A is the Cap and Trade legislation that the EPA is forcing down our throats even though Congress couldn’t pass it.
The only way to kill this monster is to cut off its blood supply...money from the taxpayers. There should be some creative ideas how this can be done, but the example of the East Germans in bringing down their Communist masters holds some important clues.
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There is nothing you wrote that isn’t true.
Any talk about our Founders has no revelence on todays government. The government that our Founders envisioned died in the late 1860’s. Lincoln started the burning of the Constitution and the politicains who follwed him keep the fire burning. Hamilton is smiling, Jefferson and Madison are flipping in their graves. The small Federal government idea is long gone, so deal with it.
That too!
Re: your profile, “the common enemy of all well-disposed, industrious and decent men” has got to be Mencken, no? Also, that Albert Knock...just ran across his name for the first time, should I bother, and if so, where should I begin?
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Our Enemy, The State
by Albert J. Nock - 1935
[It must be remembered that Mr. Nock was writing this shortly after the Coup d'état of Roosevelt and the New Deal Democrats - What he saw happening HAS HAPPENED! - We are very much closer as we enter the 21st Century to a Dictatorial Socialist State.]
In chapter 5 Nock goes on to write, 'The revolution of 1776-1781 converted thirteen provinces, practically as they stood, into thirteen autonomous political units, completely independent, and they so continued until 1789, formally held together as a sort of league, by the Articles of Confederation. For our purposes, the point to be remarked about this eight-year period, 1781- 1789, is that administration of the political means was not centralized in the federation, but in the several units of which the federation was composed. The federal assembly, or congress, was hardly more than a deliberative body of delegates appointed by the autonomous units. It had no taxing-power, and no coercive power. It could not command funds for any enterprise common to the federation, even for war; all it could do was to apportion the sum needed, in the hope that each unit would meet its quota. There was no coercive federal authority over these matters, or over any matters; the sovereignty of each of the thirteen federated units was complete.'
His conclusion:
'But there is no need to dwell lugubriously upon the probable circumstances of a future so far distant. What we and our more nearly immediate descendants shall see is a steady progress in collectivism running off into a military despotism of a severe type. Closer centralization; a steadily growing bureaucracy; State power and faith in State power increasing, social power and faith in social power diminishing; the State absorbing a continually larger proportion of the national income; production languishing, the State in consequence taking over one "essential industry"after another, managing them with ever-increasing corruption, inefficiency and prodigality, and finally resorting to a system of forced labour. Then at some point in this progress, a collision of State interests, at least as general and as violent as that which occurred in 1914, will result in an industrial and financial dislocation too severe for the asthenic social structure to bear; and from this the State will be left to "the rusty death of machinery,"and the casual anonymous forces of dissolution will be supreme.'
John Quincy Adams, who had a much more intimate understanding of the facts than this writer, viewed things very differently.
The Jubilee of the Constitution
April 30, 1839
John Quincy Adams
*excerpt*
"The Declaration of Independence and the Constitution of the United States are part of one consistent whole, founded upon one and the same consistent theory of government, then new, not as a theory, for it had been working itself into the mind of man for many ages, and been especially expounded in the writings of Locke, but had never before been adopted by a great nation in practice.
There are yet, even at this day, many speculative objections to this theory. Even in our own country, there are still philosophers who deny the principles asserted in the Declaration, as self-evident truths - who deny the natural equality and inalienable rights of man - who deny that the people are the only legitimate source of power - who deny that all just powers of government are derived from the consent of the governed. Neither your time, nor perhaps the cheerful nature of this occasion, permit me here to enter upon the anti-revolutionary theory, which arrays state sovereignty against the constituent sovereignty of the people, and distorts the Constitution of the United states into a league of friendship between confederate corporations. I speak to matters of fact. There is the Declaration of Independence, and there is the Constitution of the United States - let them speak for themselves. The grossly immoral and dishonest doctrine of despotic state sovereignty, the exclusive judge of its own obligations, and responsible to no power on earth or in heaven for the violation of them, is not there. The Declaration says, 'it is not in me.' The Constitution says, 'it is not in me.'"
http://books.google.com/books?id=HLVEAAAAIAAJ&pg=PA311#v=onepage&q&f=false
The entire piece goes much deeper into these questions than this small excerpt. Well worth the read.
1. That the affairs of the people of the United States were thenceforth to be administered, not by a confederacy, or mere league of friendship between the sovereign states, but by a government, distributed into the three great departments—legislative, judicial, and executive.
2. That the powers of government should be limited to concerns interesting to the whole people, leaving the internal administration of each state, in peace, to its own constitution and laws, provided that they should be republican, and interfering with them as little as should be necessary in war.
3. That the legislative power of this government should be divided between two assemblies, one representing directly the people of the separate states; and the other their legislatures.
4. That the executive power of this government should be vested in one person chosen for four years, with certain qualifications of age and nativity, re-eligible without limitation, and invested with a qualified negative upon the enactment of the laws.
5. That the judicial power should consist of tribunals inferior and supreme, to be instituted and organized by Congress, but to be composed of persons holding their offices during good behaviour, that is, removable only by impeachment.
The organization and constitution of the subordinate executive departments, were also left to the discretionary power of Congress.
But the exact limits of legislative, judicial, and executive power, have never been defined, and the distinction between them is so little understood without reference to certain theories of government, or to specific institutions, that a very intelligent, well-informed and learned foreigner, with whom I once conversed, upon my using the words executive power, said to me, "I suppose by the executive power, you mean the power that MAKES the laws." . . . . Nor is this mistake altogether unexampled, even among ourselves; examples might be adduced in our history, national and confederate, in which the incumbents both of judicial and executive offices have mistaken themselves for the power that makes the laws—as on the other hand examples yet more frequent might be cited of legislators, and even legislatures, who have mistake themselves to be judges, or executives supreme.
The legislative, judicial, and executive powers, like the prismatic colours of the rainbow, are entirely separate and distinct; but they melt so imperceptibly into each other that no human eye can discern the exact boundary line between them. The broad features of distinction between them are perceptible to all; but perhaps neither of them can be practically exercised without occasional encroachment upon the borders of its neighbour. The Constitution of the United States has not pretended to confine either of the great departments of its government exclusively within its own limits. Both the senate and the house of representatives possess, and occasionally exercise, both judicial and executive powers, and the president has at all times a qualified negative upon legislation, and a judicial power of remission. To complete the organization of the government by the institution of the chief executive departments and the establishment of judicial courts, was among the first duties of Congress. The constitution had provided that all the public functionaries of the Union, not only of the general but of all the state governments, should be under oath or affirmation for its support. The homage of religious faith was thus superadded to all the obligations of temporal law, to give it strength; and this confirmation of an appeal to the responsibilities of a future omnipotent judge, was in exact conformity with the whole tenor of the Declaration of Independence — guarded against abusive extension by a further provision, that no religious test should ever be required as a qualification to any office or public trust under the United States. The first act of the Congress, therefore, was to regulate and administer the oaths thus required by the Constitution. ________________________________________
A toast proposed at the event:
"1. George Washington--His example was perfect: severe will be the condemnation of him, who seeks his place and disregards the authority of that example."
(Page 124)
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