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Gun Review: Smith & Wesson M&P15 Sport (A brand new AR-15 for $640?)
The Truth About Guns ^ | June 13, 2011 | Benjamin T. Shotzberger

Posted on 07/26/2011 2:23:10 AM PDT by 2ndDivisionVet

There’s innovation, and then there’s beating a dead horse. A few firearms have fallen into this latter category, like John Moses Browning’s 1911 design. At over 100 years old, the 1911 has been done, redone, re-redone, and retro-redone with anniversary editions released that hearken straight back to the original weapon. I say that lovingly as an admitted “1911 guy.” More recently, the “Modern Sporting Rifle” has begun to fit the same bill. When it comes to accessories, my Prada and Gucci-loving cube-dwelling co-worker has less choices than your average AR owner. Some observers have gone so far as to call the AR “Barbie for men.” I couldn’t possibly comment. But I can tell you this: Smith & Wesson have introduced another AR variant called the M&P15 Sport . . .

The Smith & Wesson M&P15 Sport rifle is not your mall-ninja AR dripping with rails and oozing tacti-cool. It’s not meant to be. Smith’s aimed its rifle at AR newbies looking for a quality firearm at a bargain price..

Unboxing the M&P15 Sport isn’t much of an event. You open the cardboard box and strip back a layer of foam. Laying in front of you: a black rifle and Magpul 30 round magazine. Taking a closer look, you can see that Smith & Wesson shaved costs where they could. But they didn’t skimp on the important stuff.

Smith & Wesson have done away with the dust cover and forward assist. Smith Marketing Maven Paul Pluff told TTAG that sacrificing the dust cover in the name of cost-savings was a no-brainer. The target market is less likely to need an AR to fight terrorists in sandstorms and extreme weather than use that funny shell holder thingie to eat snails [paraphrasing]. The M&P15 Sport will likely live out its days in a case or safe, with semi-regular forays to the range or the woods.

To check out the rifle’s reliability, I ran the rifle for a week out at Gunsite Academy in Paulden, Arizona.

I spent the week putting rounds down range in arid, sandy, dusty conditions – begging the Smith & Wesson M&P15 Sport to show me that it needed a dust cover. I fired standing, kneeling, and from several variations of the prone position, including rollover-prone where the bolt of the rifle was less than two inches from the dust, rock, dirt, and grime the ejection process was kicking back up into the rifles action.

Did nastiness get in to the action? Ohh yeah it did. I made sure of that by peppering the rifle with a few small handfuls of Arizona high desert when the Smith and Wesson folks weren’t watching. By the end of the week I had one gritty feeling charging handle, one rough trigger, and one dirty as all-heck action. I was also holding a rifle that continued to function without a single hiccup.

The forward assist (err . . . forward “scallop”) on the M&P15 Sport is a throwback to the rifle’s original design. The cylindrical slap-assist found on most other black rifles is no-where to be seen on the M&P15 Sport.

For a beginning AR shooter, the manual assist has the same likelihood of turning a minor and easily correctable malfunction – such as a double-feed – into one that could require gunsmithy assistance. Newer users tend to follow the Hollywood example of hitting the forward assist with the force of Thor’s hammer rather than giving it the gentle smack that’s needed to bring a round into battery if it hasn’t seated properly.

So what’s an M&P15 Sport owner to do if their rifle doesn’t charge properly without a forward assist? Simple – use the scalloped section of the bolt itself and a finger on the support hand to gently nudge the action closed (demonstrated in the above video). This isn’t a new idea; it’s an homage to pre-forward assist designs. Even with dirty rifle with a gritty action, I could easily seat rounds after a manually-induced malfunction.

The M&P15 Sport’s barrel isn’t an M4 cut; if you’re looking to mount your M203, look elsewhere. The Smith sports a full-profile barrel of American 4140 Steel. The bolt carrier and gas key are chromed, and the barrel sports their Melonite coating. Smith claims that the bare bones approach has no effect on durability. They’ve fed two M&P15 Sport test rifles a combined ~170,000 rounds of various brands of ammunition without any [visible] damage to the Melonite finishing process.

The M&P15 Sport’s barrel also incorporates 5R rifling, an innovation Smith added after they acquired Thompson Center Arms. The M&P15′s 5R rifling is a 1/8” “gain twist.” The twist starts longer and tightens to 1/8” towards the end of the barrel.

In theory, the bullet stabilizes before fully engaging the rifling. Shooting Remington’s Disintegrator 45gr frangible ammunition in shoot-house drills and testing on steel, the rifle didn’t have a single failure-to-feed or fire. Given that mag failures account to many of the issues shooters encounter with their AR, Smith & Wesson “got it right” by spending a few extra dollars on the factory-standard 30-round P-mag. Gunsite instructor Dave Starin (20 years LE, 12 years SWAT) also reported—and I can confirm—that accuracy wasn’t an issue, either.

The rifle ships with a flat-top Picatinny style rail with an adjustable / removable dual aperture rear, and adjustable A2 post front sights. Removing the factory options to mount the EOTech EXPS2 (review to follow) was a breeze. The muzzle brake is standard A2 style. The M&P15 Sport’s threading is also standard; shooters can swap out for common muzzle accessories should they desire.

The rifle’s lower and upper receivers are fashioned from 7075 T6 Aluminum, fully-forged in-house by Smith & Wesson. Included with the lower: the single piece, solid-forged, non-removable, over-sized (for gloves) trigger guard. A typical six-position telescoping stock is standard, along with sling mounts allowing for single or double-point sling attachment. A bayonet lug is under slung – just in case. All of the M&P15 Sport’s parts are interchangeable with the rest of their AR product line.

For those of you living in the People’s Republic of Kalifornia – fear not. Smith’s making a California-compliant version to satisfy your political overlords. For their Cali-compliant “bullet button,” Smith & Wesson’s mag-release can be engaged with a round of .223/5.56 ammunition.

The M&P15 Sport is a perfect entry-level AR. With stock sights, the rifle is amazingly accurate. Equipped with an expensive optic like the EOTech EXPS2, gratuitous mag-dumping onto targets from 50 – 110 yards was child’s play. I engaged various targets on Gunsite’s Scrambler course while the OFWG’s decided who was going to shoot next. Point of Aim quickly became Point of Impact. I was eventually instructed to stop wasting ammo for the sake of the sweet-satisfying PING! of steel. Sad, I know.

Testing at Gunsite was less about ranged engagement or precision shooting and more about carbine drill and functionality. Maximum distance shot during the evaluation in Arizona: 50 yards (not including the Scrambler targets, which extend upwards of 100 yards). The gun’s back on the East Coast with me; I’ll be firing out to 100 yards from a rested position and beyond, and report back.

With night vision and thermal gear (hey, why not?), I was able to use the M&P15 Sport to hit pie-plate steel at 50 yards. More importantly, in head shot and non-standard failure drills extending from three and out to 25 yards, I consistently placed rounds in the T-zone within seconds of being instructed to fire.

The Smith & Wesson M&P15 Sport is all yours for $709 msrp. That’s $600 – $650 in real world dollars. If the gun is as reliable as our initial impressions indicate, that’s tremendous value-for-money. It’s taken Smith a while to get here, but it looks like they’ve finally brought the same no-nonsense quality and functionality to the AR world that made their revolvers so justifiably famous.

SPECIFICATIONS

Caliber: .223 / 5.56 NATO Barrel: 16″ Melonite coated – 1/7″ twist according to S&W rep. Thompson Center 5R rifling. Overall Length: 32 inches collapsed, 35 inches extended. Weight: 6.45 pounds unloaded. Action: Semi-automatic. Finish: Melonite barrel, hard coat anodized 7075 T6 Aluminum receivers. Capacity: 30+1 using standard AR magazines (ships with a Magpul 30 rnd). Price: MSRP $709 – readily had between $640 – $690.

RATINGS (out of five)

Accuracy: * * * * – Final star TBD Excellent accuracy in carbine drills. Rounds consistently placed in a 3″ T-zone from 25 yards while standing. Minute of bad guy observed during all firing events. Further accuracy testing pending.

Ergonomics: * * * * * It’s an AR carbine with all the controls in all the standard places, and adjusts to fit the user in all the standard fashions. Easy to manipulate, easy to bring on target.

Reliability: * * * * * One feeding issue—traced to the cheap aluminum magazine I was using as a back-up. Not a single failure with the factory-issue Magpul. I shot well over 1000 rounds through the rifle without cleaning (with additional lubrication).

Customize This: * * * * * It’s an AR. Kit it up! Check out The Barbie for Men.

Overall Rating: * * * * * The price is right, the product performs, and America’s second largest arms manufacturer stands behind it. What’s not to like?

Special thanks to Manassas Guns and Ammo Warehouse for handling the transfer to bring this rifle back to Virginia for further testing. Stay tuned for updates.


TOPICS: Business/Economy; Military/Veterans; Outdoors; Sports
KEYWORDS: ar15; banglist
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1 posted on 07/26/2011 2:23:18 AM PDT by 2ndDivisionVet
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2 posted on 07/26/2011 2:31:07 AM PDT by Rummyfan (Iraq: it's not about Iraq anymore, it's about the USA!)
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To: Rummyfan
Cabela's on sale:
Sale Price: $939.99 - $1,099.99

$640? Seriously?

3 posted on 07/26/2011 3:37:08 AM PDT by grobdriver (Proud Member, Party Of No! No Socialism - No Fascism - Nobama - No Way!)
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To: 2ndDivisionVet

Got mine about a month ago. They can be had for less than the price stated, but are scarce due to popularity. They lack the chrome barrel, forward assist and dust cover on the ejection port, but are hands down the best bang for the buck.


4 posted on 07/26/2011 3:42:31 AM PDT by doodad
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To: grobdriver

Google M&P15 Sport.......and you can find them for less than $640. Whether they’ll ship it is another matter.


5 posted on 07/26/2011 3:45:29 AM PDT by Recon Dad ( five words most feared by a Louisiana politician: “Will the defendant please rise.”)
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To: 2ndDivisionVet

Sounds good to me. The AR-15 that I used in USAF Basic Training didn’t have no stinkin’ forward assist.

As for the dust cover, at the range I never see them closed anyway.

Sounds like the perfect way to get into 3-gun on a budget, or a much easier way to justify a .223 for plinking. And you can always put a different upper on it if you choose.


6 posted on 07/26/2011 4:06:24 AM PDT by Yo-Yo (Is the /sarc tag really necessary?)
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To: grobdriver

Yup.
I know a fellow that picked one up last week for that exact price.


7 posted on 07/26/2011 4:09:14 AM PDT by mylife (OPINIONS ~ $ 1.00 HALFBAKED ~ 50c)
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To: doodad

Have been thinking about getting one of these...may trade in my .45 Officers ACP to help pay for it. Hate to let go of it but need a semi-auto rifle to complete the survival kit and our other handguns are .38/.357. The Colt is also a little heavy to me for concealed carry but sure looks pretty.


8 posted on 07/26/2011 4:11:34 AM PDT by dogcaller
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To: 2ndDivisionVet

Ping for later gun porn viewing.


9 posted on 07/26/2011 4:12:59 AM PDT by 109ACS (If this be Treason, then make the most of it. Patrick Henry, May 1765)
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To: 2ndDivisionVet

Nice price point. Sounds like you can deck it out for $1200. I wished every God fearing Bible clinger would equip themselves with such a tool.


10 posted on 07/26/2011 4:36:28 AM PDT by st.eqed
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To: 2ndDivisionVet

They got rid of the ejection port cover and forward assist because they didn’t think people needed them, but they left the bayonet lug on there?

I’d rather have a forward assist than a bayonet lug. Of course, my AR-15 has both (my ACR has neither).


11 posted on 07/26/2011 4:39:21 AM PDT by Echo4C (We have it in our power to begin the world over again. --Thomas Paine)
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To: 2ndDivisionVet

Just saw one at a gun show for $599.


12 posted on 07/26/2011 4:55:05 AM PDT by toomanylaws
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To: 2ndDivisionVet

Ping for possible purchase


13 posted on 07/26/2011 4:58:39 AM PDT by Victor (If an expert says it can't be done, get another expert." -David Ben-Gurion, the first Prime Minister)
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To: 2ndDivisionVet

Nice, but I want to see a picture of the opened lower receiver. Is their a space for a DIAS or do we have to machine it out?


14 posted on 07/26/2011 5:28:22 AM PDT by DCBryan1 (Forget the Lawyers....first kill the journalists! - Die Ritter, die sagen, nee)
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To: 2ndDivisionVet
Regardless of make, model, variants, changes, re engineering, and a 100 year-old design... the .45 ACP remains the caliber to carry... for those wanting to stop a perp DEAD in his tracks. That economy AR will kill you just as dead as one wearing a Tuxedo.

LLS

15 posted on 07/26/2011 5:30:03 AM PDT by LibLieSlayer ("GIVE ME LIBERTY OR GIVE ME DEATH"! I choose LIBERTY and PALIN!)
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To: 2ndDivisionVet

BFL


16 posted on 07/26/2011 5:34:40 AM PDT by NELSON111
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To: 2ndDivisionVet
No dust cover? (guys have been doing that for years) 1/7 twist? And no forward assist. Makes it a bad choice for self defense.

You can easily put together a great AR for under $500 by shopping and picking the pieces you want.

17 posted on 07/26/2011 5:40:02 AM PDT by mad_as_he$$ (De Oppresso libre!)
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To: 2ndDivisionVet
Question:
What is the best handgun to have for "personal self defense" (in-home and while traveling)?

It has to be concealable (yay, WI!), it has to have "one shot - one kill" stopping power, it has to be completely reliable (no jams), and it can't be overly expensive ($350 to $600 range).

There has got to be one weapon "at the top of the heap" so to speak. What is it?

My thanks....

18 posted on 07/26/2011 5:40:28 AM PDT by Logic n' Reason (The stain must be REMOVED (ERADICATED)....NOW!!)
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To: LibLieSlayer
Once upon a time I hit a 110 pound guy, with an AK and blood in his eye, with three rounds of 5.56mm ball. Didn't slow his ass down one bit. He was on a mission to kill me. Drew my 1911 and put two in his chest at 50 feet. Dropped him in his tracks. Upon examination of the body it was clear the ball had penetrated his upper chest around the shoulder but had not done much damage. The 45 tore massive holes in his heart and one lung.

Now I still have faith in 223/5.56 but I do not use full mags of ball.

19 posted on 07/26/2011 5:46:44 AM PDT by mad_as_he$$ (De Oppresso libre!)
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To: Logic n' Reason
What is the best handgun to have for "personal self defense" (in-home and while traveling)? It has to be concealable (yay, WI!), it has to have "one shot - one kill" stopping power, it has to be completely reliable (no jams), and it can't be overly expensive ($350 to $600 range).

Years ago the army did research on pistol rounds and found that shot placement was more important than caliber and the only places to reliably stop someone was with a shot to the head, the spine or the long bones of the leg. A .45 to the chest would kill the perp eventually but they would still have time to do some damage to you, while a .22 in the brain had the same effect as blowing the head off with a shotgun. So instead of looking for a killer round get something you can afford to practice, practice practice with.

20 posted on 07/26/2011 6:02:24 AM PDT by Oshkalaboomboom
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To: 2ndDivisionVet
Full link to article: http://thetruthaboutguns.com/2011/06/benjamin-t-shotzberger/%ef%bb%bf-gun-review-smith-and-wesson-mp15-sport/
21 posted on 07/26/2011 6:31:04 AM PDT by Yo-Yo (Is the /sarc tag really necessary?)
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To: grobdriver
"....Cabela's on sale: Sale Price: $939.99 - $1,099.99 $640? Seriously? ....."

Bud's Gun Shop has them in stock, free ship, for $592 cash price. Check it out:

http://www.budsgunshop.com/catalog/product_info.php/cPath/36_763_977/products_id/71970

22 posted on 07/26/2011 6:31:39 AM PDT by Victor (If an expert says it can't be done, get another expert." -David Ben-Gurion, the first Prime Minister)
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To: Logic n' Reason
"....There has got to be one weapon "at the top of the heap" so to speak. What is it?...."

As someone else posted, what really matters is round placement. I absolutely love my Baretta 92 in 9mm because I can accurately shoot it all day long (without hurting my hand) and the gun never jams. Plus it's so cool looking and fun to shoot (did I say that already...?)

23 posted on 07/26/2011 6:38:13 AM PDT by Victor (If an expert says it can't be done, get another expert." -David Ben-Gurion, the first Prime Minister)
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To: Victor

Whoops...my mistake...the “in-stock” version at Bud’s in the 10+1 version; the 30+1 round version is *out of stock* but same price. They can put you on a waiting list.


24 posted on 07/26/2011 6:44:56 AM PDT by Victor (If an expert says it can't be done, get another expert." -David Ben-Gurion, the first Prime Minister)
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To: mad_as_he$$
Amen... and that is exactly why I have an AR platform in 7.62 NATO as well as several in 5.56. It was muslim fanatics in the Philippines that beta tested the venerable .45 ACP for us. Roped up... doped up muzzies hate that .45! Like you... I have faith in the 5.56 but it does have its limitations.

LLS

25 posted on 07/26/2011 6:45:03 AM PDT by LibLieSlayer ("GIVE ME LIBERTY OR GIVE ME DEATH"! I choose LIBERTY and PALIN!)
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To: mad_as_he$$
You can easily put together a great AR for under $500 by shopping and picking the pieces you want.

Like a Plum Crazy polymer lower?

26 posted on 07/26/2011 7:02:37 AM PDT by Yo-Yo (Is the /sarc tag really necessary?)
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To: mad_as_he$$
You can easily put together a great AR for under $500 by shopping and picking the pieces you want.

For someone like me, who has zero experience, and who is looking to buy his first rifle, what are your suggestions for doing it this way?

27 posted on 07/26/2011 7:14:18 AM PDT by ShadowAce (Linux -- The Ultimate Windows Service Pack)
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To: 2ndDivisionVet

self-ping for later


28 posted on 07/26/2011 7:17:03 AM PDT by Axeslinger (Where has my country gone?)
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To: mad_as_he$$
I also meant to add that I have been to ar-15.com and looked around, I've been to several on-line sites and looked around.

However, I do not really know what I am looking at, even after reading the site, and going through posts.

I'm looking for recommendations on what good products are out there.

Thanks!

29 posted on 07/26/2011 7:17:14 AM PDT by ShadowAce (Linux -- The Ultimate Windows Service Pack)
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To: Yo-Yo

No.

http://www.bing.com/shopping/ar-15-mod4sa-lower-receiver-stripped-mod4sa-ar-15-lower-receiver/p/7EE5D182FE1A5F355003?q=ar+lower&lpq=ar%20lower&FORM=HURE


30 posted on 07/26/2011 7:37:08 AM PDT by mad_as_he$$ (De Oppresso libre!)
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To: Oshkalaboomboom
Interesting response...but it didn't answer any of my questions.

Thanks for taking the time tho!!

31 posted on 07/26/2011 7:38:04 AM PDT by Logic n' Reason (The stain must be REMOVED (ERADICATED)....NOW!!)
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To: Victor

Any idea as to the approximate cost of the weapon?


32 posted on 07/26/2011 7:41:55 AM PDT by Logic n' Reason (The stain must be REMOVED (ERADICATED)....NOW!!)
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To: ShadowAce
You have Freep mail.

I look for Shaw barrels. I like them and they work well for me.

Forged lowers are the ticket and you can find them around.
If you want to just get started Midway USA (and others) sell complete kit for about $600.

I bought three Rock River lowers off a guy standing outside the gun show last year. He was going to build them himself and the wife objected. I got all three for $300.

33 posted on 07/26/2011 7:48:07 AM PDT by mad_as_he$$ (De Oppresso libre!)
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To: Logic n' Reason
Semi-auto? Revolver?

Check out the Taurus Judge. Amazing ability to carry a myriad of rounds.

If a semi-auto, check out the Kimber Ultra-carry line. They are .45 caliber. May be out of your price range, though. I carry 9mm with hollow points. But I'm in an urban area so background is a concern, hence the hollow points.

If .45 is too much $ and 9mm is too small, check out .40 cal.

As for model, you have to physically hold them and shoot them in order to know what will work for you. Go to a gun store. If they don't spend time with you and really help you, then don't buy from them. They should want a customer for life and be willing to help you out by letting you hold whatever you want and even work with you on the price. Cost of ammo is something to think about as well. Especially if you are going to be practicing a lot.

34 posted on 07/26/2011 7:49:40 AM PDT by thefactor (yes, as a matter of fact, i DID only read the excerpt)
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To: thefactor
Now THAT is an answer!!! Thanks so much, Factor!

I really have no preference between a semi-auto and a revolver. I care much more about reliablity in all weather and climate conditions...and how simple it will be to operate and hit what is aimed at during times of high stress, anxiety, and surprise.

I shall take your advice!

My thanks, again!

35 posted on 07/26/2011 7:55:35 AM PDT by Logic n' Reason (The stain must be REMOVED (ERADICATED)....NOW!!)
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To: Logic n' Reason
You could put a revolver in a swamp for a year, come back, load it up and it'll fire with no issue. And they are cheaper. Those are the pros.

The cons of a revolver? They hold less rounds (6 as opposed to a semi-auto that can hold 10 or so) and the MAY be less comfortable to conceal due to the bulge of the cylinder. But recent advances have made revolvers slimmer.

I have less experience with revolver calibers but they come in .45, .357, .44, etc... Lots of stopping power so the extra capacity may not be necessary.

Good luck. Don't be intimidated. Firearms are a tool like any other.

36 posted on 07/26/2011 8:01:57 AM PDT by thefactor (yes, as a matter of fact, i DID only read the excerpt)
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To: thefactor
I'll look at both...probably should test fire both. The last time I handled a weapon such as these was in the military...many, many long years ago.

But...given the direction of this country and its failed leadership...I think its high time I prepare myself for ALL eventualities...or at least as many as I can.

37 posted on 07/26/2011 8:14:33 AM PDT by Logic n' Reason (The stain must be REMOVED (ERADICATED)....NOW!!)
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To: Logic n' Reason
It has to be concealable (yay, WI!), it has to have "one shot - one kill" stopping power, it has to be completely reliable (no jams), and it can't be overly expensive ($350 to $600 range).

Glock 30 and Glock 36 in .45 ACP would meet your criteria. The Glock 30 has the advantage that it will accept either the 10-round compact mag (for concealment) or the full-size Glock-21 13-round mag. The Glock 36 is slimmer.

38 posted on 07/26/2011 8:28:59 AM PDT by PapaBear3625 (When you've only heard lies your entire life, the truth sounds insane.)
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To: PapaBear3625

Any ideas as to approximate cost of both models? Also, the approximate cost of the ammunition?


39 posted on 07/26/2011 8:49:42 AM PDT by Logic n' Reason (The stain must be REMOVED (ERADICATED)....NOW!!)
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To: Logic n' Reason

Base retail of either model Glock is around $500.


40 posted on 07/26/2011 9:04:52 AM PDT by PapaBear3625 (When you've only heard lies your entire life, the truth sounds insane.)
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To: PapaBear3625
Fits my price range...I shall consider them for sure!

Thanks!

41 posted on 07/26/2011 9:07:21 AM PDT by Logic n' Reason (The stain must be REMOVED (ERADICATED)....NOW!!)
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To: Logic n' Reason
Interesting response...but it didn't answer any of my questions.

Actually it did. Any gun can have "one-shot kill power" when used correctly so it's just a matter of what you like,how much you want to pay and how much you're willing to invest in practice. If you don't think that makes a difference check out the price of a box of .44 magnums vs a box of .22 magnums or see how long it would take for an investment in reloading equipment to pay off. Having a powerful handgun is a waste of time and money if you can't afford to shoot it.

42 posted on 07/26/2011 9:12:28 AM PDT by Oshkalaboomboom
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To: mad_as_he$$
No.

http://www.bing.com/shopping/ar-15-mod4sa-lower-receiver-stripped-mod4sa-ar-15-lower-receiver/p/7EE5D182FE1A5F355003?q=ar+lower&lpq=ar%20lower&FORM=HURE

Ok, you're at $90 for a stripped lower. Keep going until you hit $500.

You need:

A lower receiver parts kit (including trigger, hammer, sear, trigger guard, pistol grip, and all the little pins and springs,) $80

A stripped upper (with forward assist plunger and dust cover. So much for saving money the MP15 Sport way...) $100

A bolt and carrier, $110

A barrel with gas block and sight, $145

I'm already over $500 and I still need a charging handle, gas tube, buffer and buffer tube, buttstock, handguard and delta rings, rear sights, etc. Not to mention an Armor's tool or a castle nut wrench and a barrel wrench.

You get the idea. Even if you were a very shrewd internet shopper, it's still more like at least $650 these days to piece together a carbine from new parts, and even more by the time you add in all of the shipping charges from the various web sites.

I'm sure you have a well stocked parts bin, so a lot of the little stuff you already have on hand. I bet you could pull off a $500 build from all new major parts plus your scrounge bin. But for a first time AR owner, this MP15 Sport isn't a half bad deal.

43 posted on 07/26/2011 9:25:50 AM PDT by Yo-Yo (Is the /sarc tag really necessary?)
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To: thefactor

Love the Taurus Judge. The best thing in my mind was the new shotgun shells that have something like 3-4 00 shot in them. Even if you don’t get exactly on target in time the perp is still likely to get a taste that will not set well. Combine that with the .45 rounds and you’ve got a great self defense weapon. The original was a bit long for conceal but they have a smaller snub version that came out as well that works better - given it is a revolver.


44 posted on 07/26/2011 12:28:03 PM PDT by reed13
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To: Logic n' Reason
"....Any idea as to the approximate cost of the weapon?...."

If you mean my Baretta 92FS.....my wife and kids chipped in for my birthday and I bought the 92FS, made in Italy, in stainless steel. Cost was $699.

Being Italian by descent, I just wanted the Italian made gun. I have talked to a LOT of military and LEO folks who tell me there is no difference between the Italian and Baretta USA versions. The only reason Baretta set up shop in Maryland was to keep up with their contract with the US Military to supply the 92FS as the standard M9. Same gun.

You can get a non-stainless version for less than $500. Also check out the M9 commemorative version with special grips and markings for around $599 at Bud's Gun Shop.

Here's a real nice 15 round Italian made 92FS in blue steel:

http://www.budsgunshop.com/catalog/product_info.php/cPath/21_52/products_id/39954

45 posted on 07/26/2011 6:05:33 PM PDT by Victor (If an expert says it can't be done, get another expert." -David Ben-Gurion, the first Prime Minister)
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To: grobdriver

That’s what the article claims.


46 posted on 07/26/2011 8:58:11 PM PDT by 2ndDivisionVet (I'll raise $2million for Gov. Sarah Palin. What'll you do?)
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To: Logic n' Reason

The Best Concealed Carry Handguns
http://www.freerepublic.com/focus/chat/2583652/posts


47 posted on 07/26/2011 9:19:11 PM PDT by 2ndDivisionVet (I'll raise $2million for Gov. Sarah Palin. What'll you do?)
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To: Victor

Thank you for the great tips....and the pricing. (I’ve got to put a few more $$ away before I head for the store).


48 posted on 07/27/2011 4:43:39 AM PDT by Logic n' Reason (The stain must be REMOVED (ERADICATED)....NOW!!)
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To: 2ndDivisionVet
Thanks 2Div!! I shall read in detail in it's entirety!

How you doin'??

49 posted on 07/27/2011 4:44:52 AM PDT by Logic n' Reason (The stain must be REMOVED (ERADICATED)....NOW!!)
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To: Logic n' Reason

You are very welcome. Good Luck. Whatever you purchase, get to the range and practice, practice...and have a whole lot of fun!!


50 posted on 07/27/2011 6:08:43 AM PDT by Victor (If an expert says it can't be done, get another expert." -David Ben-Gurion, the first Prime Minister)
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