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Marc Faber: Donít Store Your Gold In The United States
Zero Hedge ^ | 08/25/2011 | Simon Black of Sovereign Man

Posted on 08/25/2011 1:17:45 PM PDT by SeekAndFind

From Simon Black of Sovereign Man

Marc Faber: Don’t Store Your Gold In The United States

As usual, the CNBC hosts were completely dumbfounded.

Phoning in from Sao Paulo, Brazil, investment guru Marc Faber was a guest on CNBC last week, once again telling the unvarnished truth about the state of the world economy and bankrupt western nations.

This time, Faber had a very clear message: that everyone should own *physical* gold… and what’s more, they should store it outside of the United States:

I prefer if investors hold physical gold in a safe deposit box, ideally outside the US, in various locations… Switzerland, Singapore, Hong Kong, Australia, Canada… I think it’s important in today’s very uncertain world to diversify, not only the various asset classes… but also the custody of your assets should be in different jurisdictions.”

His hosts couldn’t believe it. -NOT- store in the United States, the bastion of freedom and security??!?! What lunacy!

CNBC: “Uh, so do you thus not trust US banks or US custodians? Do you think they might fail or abscond with the gold?”

Guffaws and incredulous snickers emerge from the hosts.

Faber: “I don’t trust anyone.”

Uncomfortable silence.

CNBC: “Hmmm. Interesting.”

Completely devoid of anything intelligent to say on the topic of sovereign diversification, they quickly changed the subject to talk about equities… but Faber soon came back to his original point.

Among other things, he mentioned that banks in Asia are FAR more stable and sound than they are in the west for not having invested so heavily in dead weight assets like Greek bonds or US mortgage-backed securities.

I couldn’t agree more.

This is a point I’ve been pounding on from day 1: internationalization, what I frequently call planting multiple flags, is absolutely critical to reducing your risk.

You won’t ever hear about it from the talking heads on state-sponsored media like CNBC. They refuse to look at the real world where America is no longer the center of the financial universe or the safest place to put money.
Truthfully, though, bankrupt nations like the United States pose the greatest risk of all to our prosperity and livelihood, regardless of whether we’re just starting out or have already achieved it.

This is because politicians will stop at nothing to maintain the status quo; the more they try to ‘fix’ things, the worse the situation becomes. They think they can borrow their way out of debt and spend their way out of recession. When these tactics don’t work, they just borrow and spend more.

In recent remarks during an official visit to Japan, Vice President Joe Biden said that China became the world’s second largest economy only because of US troop presence in Asia.

This line of reasoning only makes sense to a politician: China’s growth has nothing to do with its huge population, massive accumulation of savings, burgeoning technology, or culture of productivity… and everything to do with US military installations in South Korea, Japan, and Okinawa.

Such logic truly tests the patience of rational, thinking people, yet it exemplifies the kind of out-of-touch, mindless bureaucrat who is running the country.

Marc Faber has it absolutely right: entrusting the preponderance of your assets to these moronic sociopaths is a foolhardy endeavor. Own physical gold as a hedge against their idiotic fiscal policies, and store it overseas to make sure they can’t get their thieving hands on it.

Here in Austria, there’s a great secure storage facility in Vienna called Das Safe. You can rent a safety deposit box from them completely anonymously, and the box contents are insured for up to $50,000.

This is financial privacy at its finest… and if you want to take Marc Faber’s advice, you should definitely consider Das Safe. As an aside, Austria is also a great place to buy gold; you can purchase the gold ‘Philharmonic’ coin at almost every bank in the country at premiums as low as 3%.

If you’re serious about doing this, you should check out last month’s edition of Sovereign Man: Confidential. I covered a lot of detailed information about moving and storing gold overseas, including specialized contacts and obscure regulations that you need to know about.



TOPICS: Business/Economy; Society
KEYWORDS: canada; commoditiesexporters; gold; marcfaber; oilsands; producers; storage
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1 posted on 08/25/2011 1:17:54 PM PDT by SeekAndFind
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To: SeekAndFind

If I owned gold, I wouldn’t store it at a bank. The point would be to have something in a crisis, and the last place I want to go in a crisis is to a bank where the bad guys know the money is.


2 posted on 08/25/2011 1:22:11 PM PDT by CharlesWayneCT
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To: SeekAndFind

Didn’t FDR order that saftey deposits be raided for gold?


3 posted on 08/25/2011 1:22:45 PM PDT by taxcontrol
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To: CharlesWayneCT

Some folks have forgotten that the U.S. once confiscated all gold... and could easily do it again with someone like Obama in the White House.


4 posted on 08/25/2011 1:23:30 PM PDT by bolobaby
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To: SeekAndFind

Never put all your eggs in one basket. Anyone keeping all of their money in US dollars is a fool. Also, you can keep some gold here, just make sure it’s well buried, off your property and you can gt to it easily. If the SHTF I am going to assume the government is going to come after gold. Plan ahead.


5 posted on 08/25/2011 1:23:42 PM PDT by mojitojoe (WH says potus didn’t feel the earthquake. No worries. Another is scheduled for November 2012)
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To: SeekAndFind

I guess I’ll be sending out a few of my teeth out of the country in the near future. Better yet, why not reserve a place underneath a freeway bridge before it fills up.


6 posted on 08/25/2011 1:24:46 PM PDT by BigFinn (Always drink upstream from the herd.)
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To: CharlesWayneCT

Lead is much cheaper......


7 posted on 08/25/2011 1:24:46 PM PDT by Hogblog
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To: SeekAndFind

Hide your gold AND silver to prevent the government from taking it again.


8 posted on 08/25/2011 1:25:32 PM PDT by MeganC (Are you better off than you were four years ago?)
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To: taxcontrol

No, he didn’t.


9 posted on 08/25/2011 1:26:03 PM PDT by Palter (Celebrate diversity .22, .223, .25, 9mm, .32 .357, 10mm, .44, .45, .500)
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To: CharlesWayneCT
Anyone storing gold or silver in a bank safety deposit box is someone who is completely ignorant of the history of the United States.

I would pose the question to Mr. Faber, though; how is someone supposed to retrieve their gold from a safe deposit box at a bank in Singapore during an economic emergency? Does he suppose one would just hop on a plane half way around the world, retreive their asset, and then jet back to the US and carry their gold back through Customs?

And what good would it do if it were sitting in a Swiss safe deposit box? How would one exchange it for anything?

10 posted on 08/25/2011 1:26:34 PM PDT by Lurker (The avalanche has begun. The pebbles no longer have a vote.)
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To: SeekAndFind

At some point food will be worth more than a boat load of gold no matter where you are storing it!


11 posted on 08/25/2011 1:29:24 PM PDT by poobear (Facts, the TURD in the punchbowl of Liberal theory!)
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To: Lurker

True, and if I’m not mistaken the contents of a safety deposit box cannot be insured.

So one might go to this unnamed exotic foreign country to retrieve their possibles and find the box empty.


12 posted on 08/25/2011 1:31:59 PM PDT by traderrob6
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To: SeekAndFind

The best place to store gold is in a hidden bunker in your backyard, and tell no one except your immediate family where it is.


13 posted on 08/25/2011 1:31:59 PM PDT by 10thAmendmentGuy ("[Drug] crusaders cannot accept the fact that they are not God." -Thomas Sowell)
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To: SeekAndFind

YOU CAN ALL KEEP IT AT MY HOUSE~!

(I wont tell anyone)


14 posted on 08/25/2011 1:32:58 PM PDT by Mr. K (CAPSLOCK! -Unleash the fury! [Palin/Bachman 2012- unbeatable ticket])
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To: Lurker

I was wondering the same thing.


15 posted on 08/25/2011 1:33:38 PM PDT by Roos_Girl (The world is full of educated derelicts. - Calvin Coolidge)
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To: traderrob6
if I’m not mistaken the contents of a safety deposit box cannot be insured.

The contents of safety deposit boxes in the US are not insured by the FDIC. One can purchase an insurance policy on a valuable stored there privately though.

L

16 posted on 08/25/2011 1:34:05 PM PDT by Lurker (The avalanche has begun. The pebbles no longer have a vote.)
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To: poobear
At some point food will be worth more than a boat load of gold no matter where you are storing it!

And to show the levels of desperation in the present government, it is why they are pushing for horder laws. They know once they steal all the gold the only value left is food, and they are setting themselves up to steal all that too!

17 posted on 08/25/2011 1:36:09 PM PDT by American in Israel (A wise man's heart directs him to the right, but the foolish mans heart directs him toward the left.)
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To: SeekAndFind

Of course, if you have foreign assets, and don’t check the box on your annual 1040, you are subjecting yourself to lawsuits and added taxes!


18 posted on 08/25/2011 1:38:29 PM PDT by Noob1999
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To: American in Israel

That’s why I just plan to eat all of mine and live off the fat! ;)


19 posted on 08/25/2011 1:42:30 PM PDT by brytlea (Wake me when it's over...)
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To: Lurker

I stand corrected.


20 posted on 08/25/2011 1:43:33 PM PDT by traderrob6
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To: SeekAndFind

If you lock it up w your gun collection, you can ensure the price of it goes way up, before its confiscated.
(you and 5 infernal revenuers....)


21 posted on 08/25/2011 1:50:16 PM PDT by G Larry (I dream of a day when a man is judged by the content of his character)
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To: American in Israel

Hoarder laws?


22 posted on 08/25/2011 1:54:02 PM PDT by Rich21IE
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To: Lurker

Well, that’s it. The key to survival isn’t just getting your assets offshore, it’s getting yourself offshore BEFORE the meltdown. Because nobody’s going to be flying anywhere the day after without ten levels of government approval.


23 posted on 08/25/2011 1:56:43 PM PDT by Mr. Jeeves ( "The right to offend is far more important than any right not to be offended." - Rowan Atkinson)
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To: American in Israel
1/2pints of whiskey, brandy and vodka make great trade goods

Just saying... If you're planning ahead

24 posted on 08/25/2011 1:58:54 PM PDT by muir_redwoods (Somewhere in Kenya, a village is missing an idiot)
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To: SeekAndFind
… and what’s more, they should store it outside of the United States...

He also implied assets should be distributed to many countries. Reading between the line, what in hell does that mean? War? Confiscation? Any guesses?

25 posted on 08/25/2011 2:02:35 PM PDT by GOPJ (126 people were indicted for being terrorists in the last two years. Every one of them was Muslim.)
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To: bolobaby

The Executive order FDR signed in 1933 was designed to prevent the hoarding of gold. Actually, it criminalized hoarding, although there were very few, if any, prosecutions. The gov’t did pay about $20 an ounce for your gold. How much are those dollars worth today versus keeping the gold???


26 posted on 08/25/2011 2:03:57 PM PDT by FlyingFish
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To: bolobaby

The Executive order FDR signed in 1933 was designed to prevent the hoarding of gold. Actually, it criminalized hoarding, although there were very few, if any, prosecutions. The gov’t did pay about $20 an ounce for your gold. How much are those dollars worth today versus keeping the gold???


27 posted on 08/25/2011 2:04:08 PM PDT by FlyingFish
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To: Hogblog

Your position is what? If you have gold keep it at home and shoot everyone who comes to the door? I suspect that won’t work - unless you’ve got a small army to patrol the place round the clock... all armed - none needing to sleep or go out for food ( kidnappings will take place if the SHTF)..


28 posted on 08/25/2011 2:07:14 PM PDT by GOPJ (126 people were indicted for being terrorists in the last two years. Every one of them was Muslim.)
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To: 10thAmendmentGuy
The best place to store gold is in a hidden bunker in your backyard, and tell no one except your immediate family where it is.

Even assuming that one of your family members doesn't spill the beans about your stash, sooner or later, it will become known that you have it. You'll need to exchange some of it for cash, food, supplies, etc, and when you do, there goes your secret. How do you handle this little problem?

29 posted on 08/25/2011 2:09:55 PM PDT by giotto
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To: SeekAndFind

I have found this website to be a very useful source of information on the economy, gold, and silver.

http://goldismoney.info/forums/


30 posted on 08/25/2011 2:14:08 PM PDT by Silver Sabre
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To: giotto

True, but what’s your solution? I don’t have an answer. There is no perfect one. If you put it in domestic banks, the government could always take it. If you put it in foreign banks, they might not let you out of the country to access it. I don’t think that any of these scenarios are particularly likely, but obviously they are all flawed.


31 posted on 08/25/2011 2:21:16 PM PDT by 10thAmendmentGuy ("[Drug] crusaders cannot accept the fact that they are not God." -Thomas Sowell)
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To: muir_redwoods

You are correct. Alcohol makes for great trading goods. People always want it and it stores easily for very long periods. There are many things that will be in demand if TSHTF. Speaking of TSHTF, toilet paper is another good trade item. How many people actually store TP? How many people will want TP when they run out and can’t buy it any longer? There are many items that will make for money if the worst happens.


32 posted on 08/25/2011 2:26:09 PM PDT by Graneros ("It is no exaggeration to say that the undecided could go one way or another.")
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To: SeekAndFind
This guy is a nut. If the USA needs that gold we can send in a couple of divisions and get it, and if they are real lucky, the locals won't get pounded back to the stone age.

As a practical matter we need only know where the gold is and it might as well be ours, or anybody else's if they can get there with sufficient force.

I'd put my bucks on tulip bulbs if we need to face world ending disruptions. You not only can eat them raw they have a very long shelf life. Their price zooms up into that of multi-carat diamonds under such conditions (1943 Zuider Zee and nearby flooded lands ~ they had a famine also).

33 posted on 08/25/2011 2:29:50 PM PDT by muawiyah
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To: American in Israel

Indeed, and welcome back to America.

Numbers 6:24-26: YAHWEH bless you and keep you. YAHWEH make His face shine upon you and be gracious to you. YAHWEHlift up His face upon you and give you SHALOM. In the name of SAR SHALOM - the Prince of Peace.


34 posted on 08/25/2011 2:35:20 PM PDT by poobear (Facts, the TURD in the punchbowl of Liberal theory!)
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To: Lurker
“Anyone storing gold or silver in a bank safety deposit box is someone who is completely ignorant of the history of the United States.
I would pose the question to Mr. Faber, though; how is someone supposed to retrieve their gold from a safe deposit box at a bank in Singapore during an economic emergency? Does he suppose one would just hop on a plane half way around the world, retreive their asset, and then jet back to the US and carry their gold back through Customs?

And what good would it do if it were sitting in a Swiss safe deposit box? How would one exchange it for anything?”

I think his advice is for people playing in the big leagues. If TSHTF, some people will want to go overseas to stay until things settle out.

A few hundred ounces of gold in Austria or Singapore would allow you to have enough cash to stay for a while without trying figure out how to carry twenty pounds of gold onto the plane with you.

Think of it as bugging out in a 5 star hotel.

35 posted on 08/25/2011 2:39:05 PM PDT by dangerdoc (see post #6)
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To: muir_redwoods
Learn how to do old fashioned distillation ~ e.g. "pot distillation" using, literally, clay pots.
36 posted on 08/25/2011 2:39:41 PM PDT by muawiyah
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To: muawiyah

Assuming you can afford to ferment grain as opposed to feeding it to your family to keep them from starving.

If the trucks don’t run, everybody will get very hungry, very quickly.


37 posted on 08/25/2011 2:44:15 PM PDT by dangerdoc (see post #6)
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To: SeekAndFind

Can US passport holders who do not have permission to work in Canada have bank acounts/safe deposit boxes?

I don’t think so.


38 posted on 08/25/2011 2:47:19 PM PDT by Jim Noble (To live peacefully with credit-based consumption and fiat money, men would have to be angels.)
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To: Lurker

I believe storing gold in offshore facilities is meant for those who have lots and lots of it. I don’t think the average blue collar worker needs to worry about it. If you’ve got a handful of gold coins just hide them out in the woods. It’s good to own some gold but for barter purposes if TSHTF then silver and junk silver in particular is best.

Silver has not been confiscated the way gold was. Not to say that won’t happen but the big boys are buying large amounts of gold to preserve their wealth not silver. Saving your wealth in silver, for those with large amounts of money, would be a pain in the butt. Right now an oz of silver is worth close to $40 while an oz of gold is $1800. You get the picture.

For those with lots of money getting around the world will not be a problem. It will cost them more, to be sure, but they’ll still be able to come and go. Once overseas they would cash in some gold for a stable currency then wire funds into a bank back home. For those of us who aren’t wealthy we’ll be trading junk silver, alcohol, ammo, and toilet paper for food most likely.


39 posted on 08/25/2011 2:48:15 PM PDT by Graneros ("It is no exaggeration to say that the undecided could go one way or another.")
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To: Lurker; blam; archy; CodeToad
I would pose the question to Mr. Faber, though; how is someone supposed to retrieve their gold from a safe deposit box at a bank in Singapore during an economic emergency? Does he suppose one would just hop on a plane half way around the world, retreive their asset, and then jet back to the US and carry their gold back through Customs?

No, hell no. What Faber is saying about "planting multiple foreign flags" is that you might have to go on the E&E, an expat semi-fugitive from the IRS/USA. In that case, you need "buried treasure" you can pick up at foreign safe deposit boxes. This gold etc will help you to restart in the haven country of your choice or ability to reach.

He is acknowledging that the USA might go nutso on a French or Russian Revolution or Weimar/Nazi Germany level, and you will NOT want to be trapped here, depending on frozen electronic assets the fedgov will not let you have. Or that might have been wiped out in value.

The talking heads who think he's off the wall are the same brainiacs who live in condo towers "convenient to downtown," who have never in their lives considered that their town might some day be razed and burnt by rioters, or turn into Sarajevo etc. They are totally trapped by their "normalcy bias," that they cannot even comprehend what Faber is saying.

Like Jews in Germany in 1933 who said to their uncomprehending friends and family, "Run! Get out! Now!" The uncomprehending just couldn't think three or four steps ahead, and take action on that basis.

That's the level of Faber's warnings.

40 posted on 08/25/2011 2:50:28 PM PDT by Travis McGee (www.EnemiesForeignAndDomestic.com)
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To: bolobaby
Some folks have forgotten that the U.S. once confiscated all gold... and could easily do it again

It would be a lot easier to ban sales.

The gold that was confiscated in 1933 (blatantly unconstitutional, BTW)was almost all US coin, legal tender. There are lots of other media now that would make a confiscation order much more difficult.

But I would not be at all surprised for the G-20 to agree that none of their currencies could be used in gold transactions. That would accomplish the same thing and be a lot less bother.

41 posted on 08/25/2011 2:51:17 PM PDT by Jim Noble (To live peacefully with credit-based consumption and fiat money, men would have to be angels.)
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To: FlyingFish
The gov’t did pay about $20 an ounce for your gold. How much are those dollars worth today versus keeping the gold???

And then promptly re-valued gold at $35.00 and ounce, which reduced the value of the greenbacks over night.

We've seen how this works once, and as such aren't likely to fall for that again.

42 posted on 08/25/2011 2:56:46 PM PDT by Smokin' Joe (How often God must weep at humans' folly. Stand fast. God knows what He is doing.)
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To: SeekAndFind

What drivel!

During the Great Depression’s bank closures, many safety deposit boxes were looted while the banks were closed. If that happened in America, what do you think will happen elsewhere?


43 posted on 08/25/2011 2:57:04 PM PDT by GladesGuru (In a society predicated upon freedom, it is necessary to examine principles.)
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To: dangerdoc

That’s if you are a good guy. Now if you are a bad guy you sneak around and steal what you need.


44 posted on 08/25/2011 2:57:53 PM PDT by muawiyah
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To: muawiyah
Look up "blind pig" and see why it was another name for a speakeasy. No one wants to find out your yeast produced methanol and that's the reason its so dark out.

Folks will always want the good stuff

45 posted on 08/25/2011 3:15:23 PM PDT by muir_redwoods (Somewhere in Kenya, a village is missing an idiot)
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To: Smokin' Joe

“They” were fighting some really serious deflation. People claim they want stability in the value of their money, but if you upset their little applecarts based on inflation or deflation they’ll have your head.


46 posted on 08/25/2011 3:36:53 PM PDT by muawiyah
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To: poobear
At some point food will be worth more than a boat load of gold no matter where you are storing it!

That will probably be true the first 6 months after the SHTF - after that the 'new normal' would be a third world type poverty... forever. That's when owning something that has value will matter. Seems dems will keep charging on that old federal credit card until the election... which gives everyone time ... maybe.

47 posted on 08/25/2011 4:02:13 PM PDT by GOPJ (126 people were indicted for being terrorists in the last two years. Every one of them was Muslim.)
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To: Lurker

Mr Faber has already moved his corpse out of the US, so his opinions may not be of great value to those remaining here.

I agree that storing property outside the country is a huge headache.


48 posted on 08/25/2011 4:06:09 PM PDT by editor-surveyor (Sarah Palin - 2012!)
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To: SeekAndFind

If you have physical gold store it in your safe and keep your safe cemented into the floor somewhere. Oh I forgot and keep a few (or a lot) of weapons to defend it.


49 posted on 08/25/2011 4:09:23 PM PDT by Georgia Girl 2 (The only purpose of a pistol is to fight your way back to the rifle you should never have dropped.)
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To: GOPJ

At that point only a few will own hundreds of acres of land with enough relatives or friends to defend it.

Guess it’s good to know friends or how to get the hell out of dodge! With food, gas and gold. Not pretty any way you toss it.

Cheers?


50 posted on 08/25/2011 4:29:29 PM PDT by poobear (Facts, the TURD in the punchbowl of Liberal theory!)
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