Posted on 08/29/2011 12:09:44 PM PDT by Shout Bits
Ok thanks for correction, sorry for relaying bad info
I have been shopping but haven't found exactly what I want. If I buy new vs vintage (vintage is cool if you know a good luthier or know how to set one up and do the repairs) it's going to be a Gibson...probably a songwriter.
Expensive...yes...but I wasn't really impressed with the new Martins I played anyway.
I always wanted a Hummingbird or Dove but right now I'm leaning toward a songwriter.
What year? The original raid took place in 2009. This raid in the past week or so was purely done (it seems) to try and intimidate being that Gibson was confident to win a Court case (the hearing was about to come).
If Gibson moved before the first raid in 2009 then the theory may very well be valid that they were targeted at the bequest of unions.
Gibson moved to Memphis 5 years ago during the Bush years.
Gibson was first raided in 2009. They then filed suit to clear their name and have their property returned which they were confident they were winning.
Now to step up the intimidation and play further hardball (it seems) the Obama administration produced a second raid.
If Gibson moved years ago then was it before the first raid in 2009?
Ok but still... as soon as a democrat gets power then they are attacked this way?
Do you happen to have a link to the warrant application.
A Gibson is neither!!
Illegal aliens - OK
Gun Running - OK
Meth Labs - OK
ID fraud - OK
Voter froud - OK
Making Guitars - the Obama Regime lands on you like a ton of bricks
“If Gibson Is Not Safe, Nobody Is”
Which is EXACTLY the message the Obamunist Fascists want to send to Republican Corporate donors.
Remember folks, these aren’t your grandfathers Democrats. These are the America-hating Academic Socialists, and corrupt politicians we were told all our lives could NEVER take power in America.
A Gibson is neither!!
A Gibson is neither!!
Your point is correct.
These ‘agents’ confuse regulatory agencies with law enforcement. It is an enabler of political corruption. These agents are a ‘praetorian guard’ which can be used as political tools, and they are.
A problem with this article. Businesses don’t have ‘rights’.
Individuals have rights.
“If Gibson Is Not Safe, Nobody Is”
Which is EXACTLY the message the Obamunist Fascists want to send to Republican Corporate donors.
Remember folks, these aren’t your grandfathers Democrats. These are the America-hating Academic Socialists, and corrupt politicians we were told all our lives could NEVER take power in America.”
This reminds of a jpg on another thread of the Constitution wrapped around a TP role with an inset of a laughing Zero and the motto, “C’mon, want did you think I was going to do with it?”
http://www.law.utk.edu/faculty/davies/DaviesTLR04.PDF
“Contemporary constructions of the constitutional provisions that were meant to restrain the government’s criminal justice powers are now quite distant from the original meanings of those provisions. Indeed, although recent Supreme Court decisions sometimes purport to look to the text and original meaning of those provisions, the constructions given typically have little connection to the historical meanings”
You’ve got to wonder just How FAR do these idiots have to actually Push before the ‘Reagan Democrats’ wake up help us take our country back?
In the first raid they confiscated over a million dollars worth of legally imported Madagascar Rosewood. Gibson was suing for its return and was confident of success.
The 2nd raid was based on even flimsier allegations and appears to be for intimidation.
My question is... where is the million dollar Madagascar Rosewood now? Is it still in federal warehouse/evidence locker or has it been stolen/sold out of federal custody?
If it’s not politically motivated, then it’s about money, theft and government corruption.
Hopefully this will be an overreach of jump the shark proportions that really backfires on these guys.
BTW, giving guns and law enforcement responsibilities to Game and Fish employees, Firemen, and other non LEO government employees invariably attracts exactly the wrong type of personality. These people are more often than not ego driven, wannabe secret agents types who love to brag about “having a gun and getting to arrest people”.
They are exactly the personality profiles that real police departments screen out during the police academy hiring procedure and /or weed out during police academy training.
I mean, seriously, do you really need to carry weapons into a reputable, long established musical instrument factory to execute a search warrant for alleged “contraband hardwood” .
Even the Nazi Gestapo would feel embarrassed to stoop to such demeaning behavior. However, criminalizing even the most trivial of life's daily routines this is the primary goal all totalitarian regimes - it's easy to control the people when all people can arbitrarily be charged with some trumped up criminal charge at any time.
Legally imported according to whom? Gibson?
It was virtually impossible to legally import Madgascar Rosewood in 2009. That may be why Gibson didn't identify the rosewood as "Madagascar" rosewood on the import papers.
Gibson didn't have the Lacey Act papers on the Madagascar Rosewood. Source
Gibson's internal emails from that era stated that "all legal timber and wood exports [from Madagacar] are prohibited because of wide spread corruption and theft of valuable woods like rosewood and ebony."
However, the employee noted that Gibson might be able to get 'grey market' Madagascar Rosewood from a particular source. That's the source that Gibson used when it imported the Madgascar Ebony without the Lacey Act papers, the Madagascar Ebony with the paperwork that unintentionally or intentionally left off the place of origin. Source.
I don't know that it's a black-and-white case that Gibson "legally imported" the Madagascar Rosewood seized in the first raid.
Remember that 2008-2009 was during the era of a political coup in Madagascar and that armed rebels were logging national forests for rosewood and ebony, and that the wood, which the Madagascar government said was illegal to sell, was being sold by the rebels by routing it through other countries.
Which is EXACTLY the message the Obamunist Fascists want to send to Republican Corporate donors.
Remember folks, these aren’t your grandfathers Democrats. These are the America-hating Academic Socialists, and corrupt politicians we were told all our lives could NEVER take power in America.
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First they came for the musical instrument hard wood and I did not speak out because I was tone deaf..................
We all know where this leads. Lets speak out - LOUD
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