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To: reasonisfaith

Speaking as a dirty rotten sinner myself, saved by grace of The Lord Jesus Christ alone.

I still find it a easy decision to not vote for candidates/parties that support infanticide and removal of Christ from the public square/classroom. So I do not understand how someone could attend such a Church as Cain does.


133 posted on 10/15/2011 8:54:51 AM PDT by Friendofgeorge (SARAH PALIN 2012 OR FLIPPIN BUST)
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To: Friendofgeorge; Donnafrflorida

I would submit, that every “church” has sinners/flawed members in it, if it doesn’t, then it isn’t a true “church”. I’m sure you agree; I guess the question that may remain is what percentage are “sinners”, and which are in a state of grace. But that’s not really an issue, as a true Church can not and is not affected by that, as a true Church is guided and protected by the Holy Spirit, who can and does do as He pleases with the members, despite the sin within.

Consider Donna’s later point again. I too am Catholic, yet half of my Church are Democrats, of those, I’d bet maybe at least half are radical leftists (on average nationally).

So is membership in the Catholic church ok? If you say no, you clearly have some “number” in mind of “acceptable amount of sinners” in a Church body, so, which number is this and how do you come to such a conclusion?

If you say “yes”, then why is Catholicism ok, but why is Cain’s particular Baptist denomination not ok?

The point I’m trying to make is, and I believe this wholeheartedly, maybe Cain is trying to do something similar that I and other Catholics are trying to do in our Church: bring about a return to more traditional, “conservative” values within my (his) church. Just like many Republicans are trying to right the party.

Note, this is my reply to your point, which, don’t get me wrong, I believe is of concern. As I’ve said in the past, one’s faith is a powerful motivator for one’s daily life choices (or it should be). Thus, church affiliation is very important, IMO. It was clearly a good indicator of what kind of man Obama turned out to be.

What I tend to believe though, given the man I believe Herman Cain to be, is that he isn’t content with the slavish mentality in his own church either, much less in the country. I’m quite confident that, in his own way, he’s trying to show this to his fellow members in many ways that perhaps we don’t even see. But one way that’s quite obvious and public is his candidacy.

I’m not trying to suggest the only or even most important reason he’s running is to change his church. But it surely can’t hurt, to show those who typically believe anything Republican is “bad”, that a man who is of their same race, of their same background, can and will win not only the Republican nomination but the Presidency in November.

My only point to you is that there are two ways of looking at this: Either Herman Cain is some kind of Manchurian Candidate from some southern Baptist Church, or he is a man with principle who not only loves his church but his country. Either is a “possibility” I suppose; I therefore choose to believe the latter. There is no reason not to ascribe such positivity to the man.


187 posted on 10/16/2011 8:12:48 AM PDT by FourtySeven (When does the race card run out of credit?)
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