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The Entire System Has Been Utterly Destroyed By The MF Global Collapse
Zerohedge ^ | 11-17-11 | Tyler Durden

Posted on 11/17/2011 11:45:32 AM PST by tcrlaf

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To: tcrlaf

Is it just me or do others think that demonrat supporters are looting not just the American taxpayer but the corporate world too and that the money is being offshored for some future purpose?


61 posted on 11/17/2011 1:40:39 PM PST by killermosquito (Buffalo, Detroit (and eventually France) is what you get when liberalism runs its course.)
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To: Grampa Dave
Ann Barnhardt appears to an honest person, but she is at least a couple of decades late with her statement and actions.

No. The MF Global collapse (what, 2 weeks ago?) was the first time that customer funds have been seized by a brokerage company. Before that, sure, companies failed, but customer monies were returned.

It's a whole new world. And it's not good.

62 posted on 11/17/2011 1:44:42 PM PST by backwoods-engineer (Any politician who holds that the state accords rights is an oathbreaker and an "enemy... domestic.")
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To: Space Patrol Hoppa
And I’m sure the photo with the pink M16 is making a real impression with the U.S. Marshals.

It's actually a fully-legal semi-auto AR-15.

But there are still full-auto M16s that can be transferred to civilians on a Form 4. If you live a state that allows machine guns, like I do.

63 posted on 11/17/2011 1:46:53 PM PST by backwoods-engineer (Any politician who holds that the state accords rights is an oathbreaker and an "enemy... domestic.")
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64 posted on 11/17/2011 1:47:32 PM PST by TheOldLady (FReepmail me to get ON or OFF the ZOT LIGHTNING ping list)
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65 posted on 11/17/2011 1:50:24 PM PST by DJ MacWoW (America! The wolves are here! What will you do?)
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To: killermosquito

They want to drain the system and make resistence all but impossible.


66 posted on 11/17/2011 1:59:02 PM PST by Jonty30
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To: Grampa Dave; CutePuppy

Scary-——this crook Corzio was angling for Treasury Secy.


67 posted on 11/17/2011 2:02:34 PM PST by Liz
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To: Space Patrol Hoppa
"Miss Barnhardt also recently announced her refusal henceforth to pay taxes on her income. The IRS tends to take a dim view of such announcements.

I suspect that Miss Barnhardt has moved all of her money into "tangible assets" and will be getting a minimum wage job as a greeter at Walmart or something of the sort. Since the money she will be making will put her well below the poverty line, paying taxes on her income is no longer an issue. I do believe we are witnessing yet another shrugging. Remember the guy trying to open a coal mine who threw up his arms at a public hearing and just said "To Hell With It!". We'll be seeing allot more of this in the near future.

68 posted on 11/17/2011 2:27:26 PM PST by Desron13
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To: Excellence
"Are these Ann Barnharts one and the same person?"

Yes, one in the same.

http://barnhardt.biz/

My guess is that like Midas Mulligan, her customers were paid to the last penny and that her personal fortune is now nowhere to be found.

69 posted on 11/17/2011 2:35:25 PM PST by Desron13
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To: tcrlaf
Karl Denninger's take:
Oh boy.

Look folks, the risks involved here are real

Rick Santelli was just on CNBC pointing out that there have been no answers forthcoming on the MF Global mess.  There are reports that several people who you would never expect to have gotten caught in something like this did, including Gerald Celente.

The reason they got caught is the same reason I would have gotten caught if I had been clearing through MF Global: Despite being around the markets since well before the 2000 crash and having successfully negotiated that and the 2008 mess everyone has believed, right up until MF blew up, that customer funds were in fact segregated and thus this risk would never occur.

Simply put everyone has now discovered that this assumption is wrong.

Nothing that has come out of the CME, the SEC or Washington DC that has restored my confidence that MF Global is, in fact, a one-off situation.  In point of fact The Fed is now requiring margin on certain repo transactions where they never did before, implying that there may well be additional snakes in the grass and additional unrecognized and intentionally hidden risks of this sort.

Read Ann's entire missive.  Yes, it's highly partisan, but given what has just happened and Obama's continued insistence that "no crimes were committed" (yet no grand juries have been convened to investigate, so how would he know?) it is entirely justified.

Folks, we must insist that the rule of law be brought back into the forefront.  We must do this particularly with credit instruments and other OTC derivatives and that has to happen right now.  In addition all off-balance sheet BS must be ended immediately.

I have, since 2007, advocated that all credit instruments be forced onto an exchange and that cash margin be required on all underwater positions, marked nightly, without exception or offset.  This has been "poo-pooed" as impractical due to bespoke contracts and other considerations.

Now it turns that I was in fact right - there were additional "snakes" in the grass that were cheating.  First we had ENRON, then Bear and Lehman and now this.

Here's reality folks: We either fix this problem and do it now or you had better pray that Europe doesn't detonate, because if it does you're going to see the very thing that everyone was talking about back in 2008 happen on a global scale, it's a hundred times the size that Lehman was, and we will not be immune to it here in the United States -- in fact we'll damn near be the "center of the sun!"

There is the potential for an imminent cascade failure on these contracts just as there was in 2008; it has not gone away, it has not been attenuated, it has in fact grown in size since 08 and if we do not act to put a stop to it and the risk becomes realized it will be too late.

Source: http://market-ticker.org/akcs-www?post=197702
70 posted on 11/17/2011 2:37:49 PM PST by matt1234 (Bring back the HUAC.)
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To: Desron13

Ah, I see. Cash — > real property - income = Galt.

I hope you’re right. She seems like a good person, and I wish her well.


71 posted on 11/17/2011 2:42:09 PM PST by Space Patrol Hoppa
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To: Desron13

I just received my copy of the first installment of Atlas Shrugged on Monday. I think I’ll slip it in tonight for a second watching.


72 posted on 11/17/2011 2:53:39 PM PST by Desron13
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73 posted on 11/17/2011 3:40:33 PM PST by taildragger (( Palin / Mulally 2012 ))
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To: matt1234

Thanks for that article.

I’m kind of surprised that this hasn’t had the market reaction that Reserve Primary Fund breaking the buck the day after Lehman Bros fell.


74 posted on 11/17/2011 4:17:34 PM PST by Betis70 (Bruins!)
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To: Travis McGee

Yeah, the ass of the boat is not off the cliff yet. Let’s hope that a pelican or two lands at the rear.:-) The black swan event would be an albatross landing on the tip of the boat.


75 posted on 11/17/2011 4:33:08 PM PST by TigerLikesRooster (The way to crush the bourgeois is to grind them between the millstones of taxation and inflation)
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To: tcrlaf

bfl


76 posted on 11/17/2011 6:45:24 PM PST by Brad’s Gramma (I stand with Mr. Cain!)
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To: andy58-in-nh

Ahh, camping on the river, and bathing in the am. The water white with snow melt...back when I was tough.


77 posted on 11/17/2011 10:08:36 PM PST by runninglips (Republicans = 99 lb weaklings of politics. ProgressiveRepublicansInConservativeCostume)
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To: killermosquito

Just like the heads of Enron, the top guys hold off the panic, while they salt away all they can.


78 posted on 11/17/2011 10:10:00 PM PST by runninglips (Republicans = 99 lb weaklings of politics. ProgressiveRepublicansInConservativeCostume)
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True,few realize what a blessing to Freedom and Democracy this forum is.


79 posted on 11/18/2011 3:50:39 AM PST by rodguy911 (FreeRepublic:Land of the Free because of the Brave--Sarah Palin 2012)
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To: Donald Rumsfeld Fan
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80 posted on 11/18/2011 3:52:42 AM PST by rodguy911 (FreeRepublic:Land of the Free because of the Brave--Sarah Palin 2012)
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