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National Right To Carry Reciprocity And The Senate
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| 23 November, 2011
| John Richardson
Posted on 11/24/2011 7:24:07 AM PST by marktwain
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It would be very good to force President Obama to either sign or veto this bill.
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posted on
11/24/2011 7:24:15 AM PST
by
marktwain
To: marktwain
It would be very good to force President Obama to either sign or veto this bill. It won't pass the Senate but if it does, Obama will veto it in a hot second and not lose a wink of sleep over any political implications.
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posted on
11/24/2011 7:29:16 AM PST
by
Bloody Sam Roberts
(Attacking Wall Street because you're jobless is like burning down Whole Foods because you're hungry.)
To: marktwain
I am shocked to hear this bill has a greater chance of passing the Senate than a snowball in Hell. I thought it would be dead as a doornail, even though Reid’s one reasonable position is on gun rights (he’s been a reliable vote for them). Didn’t the NRA support Reid over Angle?
However, if this doesn’t have 2/3 support in both houses it will still die by Obama’s veto.
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posted on
11/24/2011 7:31:19 AM PST
by
Cyber Liberty
(Cain = National Sales Tax; Perry = Amnesty for Illegals; Romney = Obamacare forever. Who's left?)
To: marktwain
While H.R. 822 has yet to reach the Senate, I pledge to keep your thoughts on this issue in mind [but prolly vote against it]. My family, like the great state of North Carolina, has a long tradition of hunting [WTF?] and gun ownership, and I take great pride in that heritage. I have opposed requiring gun owners to obtain federal licenses or creating a federal system to track gun sales and transfers, as I believe these proposals would infringe this important constitutional right. I will continue to support the rights guaranteed under the Second Amendment.[in my wishy-washy fashion]
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posted on
11/24/2011 7:40:11 AM PST
by
umgud
To: umgud
Let all the states do the right thing on this and create the reciprocity. No need for the Feds on this.
To: marktwain
I don't know what to think about this. Obama has a lot of big-money supporters who are rabidly anti-gun, and he might veto the bill just to appease them.
On the other hand, if he has any intelligence at all, he'll realize this bill will do nothing to increase crime, but will likely decrease it in all states except IL (land of no 2nd Amendment rights). So, for the good of the country, he ought to sign it.
But Obama does not operate for the good of the country.
Are we sure there is nothing evil hiding in this bill? I think requiring states that allow carry to recognize each other's carry permits is a win. The ruling class in states like NJ will crap their pants, though, and their citizenry are going to howl that people from other states can carry when they can't (effectively, no permits are issued).
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posted on
11/24/2011 7:53:22 AM PST
by
backwoods-engineer
(Any politician who holds that the state accords rights is an oathbreaker and an "enemy... domestic.")
To: Sacajaweau
Let all the states do the right thing on this and create the reciprocity. No need for the Feds on this. But there is. States like NJ, NY, DE, CA will not recognize the 2nd Amendment right to carry; even though they have laws on the books to issue permits, very few if any permits get issued. Federal reciprocity forces the issue.
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posted on
11/24/2011 7:55:25 AM PST
by
backwoods-engineer
(Any politician who holds that the state accords rights is an oathbreaker and an "enemy... domestic.")
To: backwoods-engineer
In NY....I know plenty of dudes who “carry”....and legally.
To: Sacajaweau
In NY....I know plenty of dudes who carry....and legally. Great. But I can't, as a permit holder in NC. What are the prospects for the governments of NY, ME, CT, RI, MD, or NJ to vote to recognize my permit. NIL, ZIP, ZERO, NADA, I would think. Those statists hate issuing permits to their people; they sure don't want some backwoods hick from NC carrying 3 pistols around in their state.
Again, national reciprocity forces the issue.
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posted on
11/24/2011 8:12:15 AM PST
by
backwoods-engineer
(Any politician who holds that the state accords rights is an oathbreaker and an "enemy... domestic.")
To: Sacajaweau
To better understand the present system of state carry permit reciprocity, play with these
interactive maps at USACarry.com. By clicking on those New England states, you will see that even they don't recognize each other's permits, and many of them won't issue a non-resident permit. So, if you do business in NY and NJ and live in VA, for example, you LOSE your 2nd Amendment rights at the border of those states.
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posted on
11/24/2011 8:16:28 AM PST
by
backwoods-engineer
(Any politician who holds that the state accords rights is an oathbreaker and an "enemy... domestic.")
To: Cyber Liberty
Well, in reality Reid and many other Democrats with similar voting records on Second Amendment rights are not as good as their direct votes make it seem.
Reid voted against Roberts and Alito, and for Kagan and Sotomayor. From these votes, and his stated preferences for judicial philosophy, he supports a judges and Sup Court that he knows would gut the Second Amendment of any real meaning.
So he is in large part a fraud on this issue.
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posted on
11/24/2011 8:18:03 AM PST
by
Aetius
To: Cyber Liberty
Well, in reality Reid and many other Democrats with similar voting records on Second Amendment rights are not as good as their direct votes make it seem.
Reid voted against Roberts and Alito, and for Kagan and Sotomayor. From these votes, and his stated preferences for judicial philosophy, he supports a judges and Sup Court that he knows would gut the Second Amendment of any real meaning.
So he is in large part a fraud on this issue.
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posted on
11/24/2011 8:18:03 AM PST
by
Aetius
To: marktwain
Why is America failing, because our leaders no longer obey the Constitution.
To: marktwain
Something doesn't pass the smell test here....
Would this bill require registration on a Federal data-base of any CCW guns?
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posted on
11/24/2011 8:34:52 AM PST
by
gettinolder
(Smashed lips save ships.)
To: Aetius
I agree.
However, this time I’m not looking for a good vote on a judge, I want him to move this piece of legislation to the floor. As Majority Leader he is certainly capable of stopping it, but he has the option of allowing votes, which I hope hell do.
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posted on
11/24/2011 8:47:57 AM PST
by
Cyber Liberty
(Cain = National Sales Tax; Perry = Amnesty for Illegals; Romney = Obamacare forever. Who's left?)
To: Sacajaweau; umgud
Let all the states do the right thing on this and create the reciprocity. No need for the Feds on this. If federal legislation requires reciprocity, the feds will be setting the standards. Currently Texas and several other states don't recognize Utah CHL's. The feds could force everyone to accept Utah's low standards, or they could enact such onerous requirements that would make it more difficult to carry across state lines.
To: gettinolder
Would this bill require registration on a Federal data-base of any CCW guns? No.
And not only that, in the last "mini-bus" appropriation bill, the House re-affirmed that no money is to be spent on creating any federal database of gun owners.
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posted on
11/24/2011 9:18:54 AM PST
by
backwoods-engineer
(Any politician who holds that the state accords rights is an oathbreaker and an "enemy... domestic.")
To: gettinolder
Here's an article on the good news for gun owners in the "mini-bus" appropriation bill, including prohibitions of federal gun databases.
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posted on
11/24/2011 9:21:29 AM PST
by
backwoods-engineer
(Any politician who holds that the state accords rights is an oathbreaker and an "enemy... domestic.")
To: Paleo Conservative
If federal legislation requires reciprocity, the feds will be setting the standards.Didn't happen with marriage or drivers licenses. This is not a fed ccw issue law.
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posted on
11/24/2011 9:25:43 AM PST
by
umgud
To: backwoods-engineer
Thanks. I read the article in the link you sent, seems pretty black and white to me.
Have a nice Thanksgiving.
gettinolder
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posted on
11/24/2011 9:29:28 AM PST
by
gettinolder
(Smashed lips save ships.)
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