Multiple News Developments on E-Cat, LENR

Independent ECat News ^ | November 25-26 , 2011 | Various

[Kevmo]

He proved himself to be a troll. Everyone has their limits. You are pretty close to mine. Maybe you should post things with a bit more substance.

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“Do not post to me” Free Republic ^ | 8/28/07 | Admin Moderator Posted on Tuesday, August 28, 2007 5:47:37 PM by Admin Moderator http://www.freerepublic.com/focus/news/1888013/posts

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[Lx]

Yeppers, I've been following Newman's antics for years. That's why it amuses me when folks beat the LENR drum when some of us have been following this stuff for many years. Please note I didn't say believe.

Does anyone remember the fish carburetor?

I've got two words to say to Newman, power factor.

[count-your-change]

Ahh folks here is the important part of the jaw flap:

“Andrea Rossi Working with Domenico Fioravanti on Electrical Power from E-Cat
25 novembre 2011
By E-Cat World
Andrea Rossi has recently reported making a significant breakthrough in producing electricity from the E-Cat, something that had been a challenge for him for a long time. Rossi mentioned this breakthrough in the Tom and Doug show interview earlier this...”

Hopefully the “breakthrough” was going to Internet and looking at all the steam turbine devices available with proved technology.

Helical gear generators are very efficient and can use waste heat from many sources.

The BREAKTHROUGH has already been made by someone else.

[CodeToad]

Just more blogs, rumors, and other nonsense posted as "news".

[Lx]

Exactly what was the point of your link? It sounded like the Admin Moderator was tired of whiners saying, mommy, stop that mean poster from posting to me but let me post the most outlandish things without consequence. Pathetic.

You won't stop responding to me, you see, I know you.

[Johnny B.]

Kevmo said:

Is that all you can tear apart, points 7 and 8? All that conspiracy theorizing doesn’t get you much.

Here's a more complete list...

Unfortunately, if Rossi did the following:

1) hired a bunch of actors to pretend to be the customer reps,

They're called "Shills" and they are a typical part of any big scam. Notice that after almost a month, there is still no evidence at all that Rossi's mysterious "NATO Colenel" actually exists.

2) created an elaborate year-long special-effects-derived series of demos,

Again, not at all unusual for a big scam. STEORN has been doing this for over a decade. TILLEY and PRIEST kept their scams going for more than five years each.

3) bribed, hypnotised or otherwise fooled Focardi, Levi, Kullander, Essen, Bianchini, Stremmenos

Scientists are often the easiest to fool. They assume that everyone involved is telling the truth. They assume that any falsehoods will be uncovered when the experiments are replicated by independent researchers. Unfortunately, Rossi won't allow that, so all they have is Rossi's word.

Notice that Rossi refuses to share, even with his associates listed above, how the E-Cat works, how it is made and what nuclear reactions may or may not be occurring within. Levi wrote a paper where he speculated about what might be going on, but his paper doesn't match what little actual evidence Rossi has produced.

4) arranged for Piantelli, Miley and a host of others to try to fool the world into thinking that cold fusion was real,

5) got NASA, SPAWAR, The Defense Threat Reduction Agency and The Defense Intelligence Agency to say nice things about the field,

6) got Bushnell to make a fool of himself,

Whether "cold fusion" really exists is an entirely separate issue from whether or not Rossi is a con artist. They both could be true. After all, the fact that electric cars are real didn't prevent TILLEY from creating an elaborate, multi-year fraud around his phoney electric car.

NASA stated that Rossi had not proven his device is producing excess energy. [LINK]

SPAWAR has denied that they had, or were considering purchasing an E-Cat [LINK]

There isn't any actual evidence that either The Defense Threat Reduction Agency or The Defense Intelligence Agency have had anything to do with Rossi. Both are nothing more than rumors spread by Rossi's partner, Sterling D. Allan.

7) and convinced his former partners to set up another company called Ampenergo to pretend that they had a contract for The Americas for a substantial sum ----- or that they just did this with no proof because they have worked with Rossi and trust him because he’s such a fine fellow,

8) sold his profitable company to his ex-partners in order to spend that wealth on a multi-million dollar scam; ----- certain that once he got all the above ducks in a row he would pretend to sell the first device ----- and then reel in the true target of his dastardly plan

9) and convinced a bunch of Greek crooks to set up a dummy company called Defkalion ----- to pretend to fight with him over the non-existent eCat, ----- to perpetuate the illusion and spin it off into a competing mirror-scam

Note that both Defkalion and AmpEnergo were created specifically to hype Rossi's claims. Also note that you can't show any evidence AmpErengo has actually paid Rossi anything.

[the second (this time genuine) buyer of a 1MW plant that will net him $2 million dollars ----- until they want their money back or sucker a $100 million dollar deal under the table ----- because he has experience in pulling the wool over all these idiotic eyes ----- and knows that they will just take his word for it ----- and not want to test if his 1MW plant can heat a small village without truckloads of coal or oil or a big fat electric cable coming into the container from beneath the floor (no you can’t lift the carpet!) ]

There is no evidence that there was a "genuine" customer at the October 28th dog & pony show. There is no evidence that the mysterious "NATO Colonel" who supposedly ran the test for the "secret customer" actually exists. In spite of the massive amount of research being done on this story, no one has found even one reference to this man other than Rossi's claim. It's incredible that a NATO Colonel and professional engineer wouldn't leave any trace of himself anywhere. No professional organizations, no newpaper stories about his being promoted in NATO, no nothing.

10) and that, in order to pull this off, Rossi had to risk discovery by interviewing all the people he subsequently fooled so that he could only invite the gullible Professors and not the brilliant anonymous posters on the Internet who surely would have found him out

Rossi has tightly controlled every aspect of the dog & pony shows he has performed. Your friend, Jed Rothwell, turned down an invitation to attend a Rossi performance because Rossi wouldn't allow him to bring his own test equipment.

Interestingly, the one test that was supposedly performed to "silence the skeptics" (Febuary, 2011), had no outside observers at all, and Rossi never produced the actual data from that test. Performing a secret test and refusing to even release the raw data from that test is hardly a way to convince the skeptics.

then, yes, all bets are off and I’m with the guys who think that Rossi is an idiot and they are all geniuses.

No one has ever accused Rossi of being an idiot. There's no question that he's very smart. The question is whether he's used his intelligence to create a wonderful new invention, or just a new variation on the typical con job.

You choose to believe Rossi, even knowing that he's lying about at least some of his claims. I choose not to believe Rossi, for exactly the same reason.

[Kevmo]

Well, that’s better than just focusing on points 7 & 8. But I haven’t read it in a while, remembering that I wasn’t all that impressed when you put it up for the first time.

Now you have a way to bump these threads. You’re welcome.

[Johnny B.]

But I haven’t read it in a while, remembering that I wasn’t all that impressed when you put it up for the first time.

I don't care whether you're "impressed" or not. I just want to make sure the casual readers get both sides of the story.

You're welcome.

[Kevmo]

. I just want to make sure the casual readers get both sides of the story.
***Sounds good to me.

Of course, your seagull compadre moonboy would say that by posting to lurkers, they are your “imaginary friends”. But the criticism is never levelled at folks on your side, I notice.

[Johnny B.]

In a similar vein here's the Entabulator

Holy cow! Do you realize that this has been around since 1942!

LINK

[Lx]

Anyone who thinks Independent Ecat news is independent, just look at this:

Rossi one sided news... Quotes:

Rossi made a very intelligent reply and noted that a complete scientific examination of his device will be carried out by his alma matter prestigious University of Bologna.

Now, I used Wiki as the source so it could be wrong or is this more puffery of his C.V?
His bio says he went to the University in Milano, so how is the University of Bologna his alma matter?

Rossi’s point is legitimate here it would be completely irrational for him to let Celani take a look at his designs etc. and then copy them.

All Rossi has to do is have someone witness the test, what can they learn unless they take it apart? I'll answer that, they would learn that it doesn't work.

Note the 30 years experienced customer Rossi is talking about could be the US military which he has had contracts with before.

Oh, I believe him...

[Lx]

They just keep improving on it, the Entabulator must be the most tested device I’ve ever seen. Are they taking orders or are they waiting for ten thousand people to show interest?

[Kevmo]

You won’t stop responding to me, you see, I know you.
***Like I said, I’ll give you the last word, since I’m done with you on this thread.

[Johnny B.]

Of course, your seagull compadre moonboy would say that by posting to lurkers, they are your “imaginary friends”

Gee! I've never had any "imaginary friends" before. Kevmo, what's that like?

(Sorry, couldn't resist!)

[Kevmo]

posted as “news”.
***No, posted as bloggers... so kindly get lost again.

[Lx]

***Like I said, I’ll give you the last word, since I’m done with you on this thread.

Not only do I know you, I own you.

[Johnny B.]

You won’t stop responding to me, you see, I know you. ***Like I said, I’ll give you the last word, since I’m done with you on this thread.

Kevmo, the way to ignore someone is to ignore them.

Replying to each and every one of their posts isn't ignoring them.

[Johnny B.]

I see that Rossi is calling Defkalion a liar, and claiming that they don't have their own working "cold fusion" device (which they are supposedly announcing next week):

Look to what is going on around the Balcans: there are clowns saying they have a technology copied from us, actually they have just a moke up, waiting for the piece of info they need to make a real copy. They believed we would have been selling in October the small E-Cats, so announced they would have made a demo in october ( buying a model, disguising it as a copy made by them). But it was just a trap we made. [LINK]

So, I guess Rossi is an unreliable business partner, since he seems to take delight in setting "traps" for them.

Calling them "clowns" is also a nice touch.

[Kevmo]

I gave him the last word, he took it. Why are you focused on something that’s over & done with?

[Kevmo]

I can’t figure out what’s going on with Defkalion. They claim to have technology and they’ll get it peer reviewed, so it’s worth waiting & seeing.

I’m rooting for LENR, not necessarily Rossi.