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To: James Oscar

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MA: Very well.

Let's discuss what we do know for a bit, and see if we have any common ground in our worldview.

Q: Rock on....

MA: There is a collogue of mine who long ago wrote this famous phrase:

MOST SPECIES ARE SUBJECT TO CYCLES OF SUSTAINED GROWTH AND SUDDEN CALAMITY.
IT IS A RHYTHM AS OLD AS LIFE ITSELF.

Do you think that is accurate?

Q: I am not sure, I know that wild animals (when they loose their predators) multiply until starvation or hunters or something weeds them back down. Is that what you mean?

MA: Pretty much. Few, if any natural populations are constantly at equilibrium densities. Variation in the weather, predation, health and other environmental parameters results in great variability in populations.

In our discussion of rhythms or Chaos, I explained that Chaos is a set of rhythms that lie outside our normal perception. A nonlinear system will be chugging along with easily understood parameters, but often it will move to a "period doubling" phase and on to chaotic dynamics (which can be read as "all hell breaking loose" or "I can't tell what is going on).

MA: Which brings us to human population, which is following an exponential growth pattern. With the advent of modern medicine, better sanitation, and increased food supplies, the biggest constraints on population growth were removed.

Many people feel uncomfortable discussing this issue, but because I am very old and have spent a large part of my life in close contact with issues of disease and death - I do not have that reservation. Can you and I have that conversation?

Q: Yes of course.

MA: Would you like a drink first?

Q: Very much so....

MA: When we look at the potential outcomes for any event we are required as scientists to look at a broad spectrum of possible results.

That does not make us negative, nor does it leave us without recourse. It simply makes us prudent in our approach and honest in our work.

Would you agree?

Q: Yes

MA: Very well, lets you and I consider the novel H1N1 flu pandemic of 2009 in a larger context and see if there are any issues that are being overlooked.

Would you consider influenza to be the most threatening virus to us as a species?

35 posted on 12/14/2011 6:06:38 AM PST by James Oscar
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To: James Oscar

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Q: No, I would think Ebola or Marburg would be far more likely to do real damage.

MA: I believe I disagree. While Ebola and Marburg are very deadly bugs, they are rare and geographically contained.

Q: What about Reston?

MA: Yes, there was a huge potential for an outbreak in that situation, but even if Ebola Reston proved lethal to humans - the old tried and true measures of isolation, barrier nursing and containment would have prevailed. It is a matter of how easily the virus spreads.

Ebola is extremely deadly but difficult to catch. If you spend a lot of time butchering primates, then you have some serious infectious issues, but even then it is just not that easy to transmit.

The most common vector is actually preparing the dead.

MA: That is not to say that strange things couldn't happen and mutation or biological warfare or some nut job could really cause problems but it is largely just a very rare and distant medical oddity - no, Influenza is far more threatening than that.

Q: O.K. the flu is much more dangerous because of how easily it spreads.

MA: That and the introduction of new strains to a naive population can have devastating effects.

Do you see any other pathogens as being very dangerous to the species as a whole?

Q: Well...... how about SARS?

MA: SARS gave us quite a startle; I must admit that for a brief few weeks there was a very dark cloud hanging over health care workers of all stripes.

But, in the end the application of the most basic nursing techniques - Barrier Nursing - was enough to crush the outbreak. I might mention that contact tracing was, and will always be, a necessity in these types of outbreaks.

But on balance SARS is now just another notch on our collective gun belts.

Q: To me those are the major players, I don't know of anything else that raises red flags or is in any way "scary".

MA: What about AIDS?

Q: AIDS? My thoughts are that unless you live in Africa or participate in very risky sexual activity then it is a moot point.

MA: I don't believe that is quite accurate; however I will grant you that it is the normal mindset.

What do you know about the pathogen that causes AIDS?


36 posted on 12/14/2011 6:07:53 AM PST by James Oscar
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To: James Oscar

Your credibility just went out the window.

Saying “Rock on” to someone you claim to be awed by, then a few sentences later using “loose” instead of “lose”, and you’re a professional writer?

You had my attention right up to there, but now, not so much.

I’ll continue reading for a bit, just to see when you make your next blunder.


359 posted on 01/25/2020 1:48:39 PM PST by Don W (When blacks riot, neighbourhoods and cities burn. When whites riot, nations and continents burn.)
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