See my reply #40. SADO took an extension course, likely a night course, NOT a correspondence course, which would have been tabulated separately on the transcript, if there were any.
State Dept said records prior to 1967 were destroyed but did not specify whether they were only records of an initial passport application from around 1965 or whether the records included an initial application from 1961 plus a renewal in 1965, IIRC.
In either case the passport records don't seem to me to have any effect on whether or not SADO was in WA beginning in late August of 1961 (she was, IMO). The passport records can only tell us whether she was somewhere else before then.
“...The passport records can only tell us whether she was somewhere else before then.”
BINGO.
All passport records have not been destroyed. Folks have come forward and stated that they’ve had no problem accessing their earlier records.
It is very difficult to get any records pertaining to Obama, his parents or his grandparents via FOIA. If you are successful, the likelihood those records have been tampered with are great.
It has been verified by the Univ. of Hawaii that Stanley Ann was enrolled there for the fall semester of 1960. It has also been verified that she was enrolled at the Univ. of Washington for the fall semester of 1961. In fact, it had been that the only undisputed documents relative to Stanley Ann prior to 1964 were the statements of enrollment provided by those two universities.
There has now been published [FOIA] an INS file on Barack Obama the elder - covering his time at Univ. of Hawaii, and also his time at Harvard. In early 1961 he was trying to get an extension on his student visa. The chronology and content of those documents indicates that possibly Stanley Ann ‘married’ him as a favor, the thinking being that with a U.S. citizen spouse, deporting him would be less likely. [Interestingly, the scenario/circumstance was almost the same as a few years later when she married Lolo Soetoro as he was in the throes of facing deportation over his expired visa]
The INS documents on Obama tell how - after this process against him had begun unfolding, he suddenly announced - surprise, surprise - he had married a U.S. citizen. This didn’t go over too well with the Univ. of Hawaii, or the INS, because he already had a wife and child in Kenya. They were also concerned because Mr. Obama had been building a reputation on campus as someone whose motto was “All you gurlz’ panties R mine!”. The wording in the April 12, 1961 memo is:”If he were convicted of bigamy we might get a deportation charge but not before.” [A few years later, Harvard pressed the point; Sr. was informed he would have to complete his thesis in Kenya because they were booting him out for the same reason: moral turpitude.]
Of particular interest is this final sentence of the 4/12/61 memo [caps mine, for emphasis]:
“Recommend that Subject be closely questioned before another extension is granted - and denial be considered. IF HIS USC [U.S. Citizen] WIFE TRIES TO PETITION FOR HIM MAKE SURE AN INVESTIGATION IS CONDUCTED AS TO THE BONA-FIDE OF THE MARRIAGE.”
The first sentence of this memo is very curious [caps mine, for emphasis]:
“Mrs. McCabe, University of Hawaii, Foreign Student Advisor, called on 4/10/61 and reported that Barack H. Obama, a student at the University since 1959 was married on February 2, 1961 to Stanley Ann Dunham, a United states citizen FROM SEATTLE, WASHINGTON in Maui, Hawaii.”
This was written 4/12/61. According to Stanley Ann’s son, Barry - she graduated from the Mercer Island, Washington high school in [May or June] 1960, and she and her parents immediately moved to Hawaii. She had been enrolled at the University of Hawaii for the fall 1961 semester. By April 12, 1961 Stanley Ann and her parents had been legal residents of the state of Hawaii for approximately 9 months. So why does the INS describe Stanley Ann not as “a United States citizen resident of Hawaii who married Obama in Maui, but as “FROM” Seattle, Washington. She had not lived in [been “from”] Seattle since she was in the 8th grade. Her parents had moved there when she was in 8th grade, but a year later had moved to Mercer Island - closer to Bellevue, WA than to Seattle.
Another memo, dated 8/31/61, re: Obama, Barack H. A11938537 [caps mine]:
“U.S.C. spouse to GO to Wash. State University next semester.” “They have one child born Honolulu on 8/4/61 - Barack Obama II, CHILD LIVING WITH MOTHER (SHE LIVES WITH HER PARENTS & SUBJECT RESIDES AT 1482 ALINEASTRE ST.)”
These documents can be seen/printed at Scribd; link is www.HeatherSmathers.com
Heather Smathers is the journalist who filed the FOIA request for the documents.
Because of the descriptive wording in these INS documents, I suspect Stanley Ann attended Univ. Hawaii for that 1961 fall semester, but that when she turned up pregnant she was hustled back to Washington - hence the INS referring to her as “from Seattle”. I also suspect that Barry was born somewhere in Washington state [or across the border in Canada]; that he won’t reveal his actual birth certificate because the student Barack Obama is not on that certificate as his father; that the already pregnant/shamefully unmarried Stanley Ann and the likely-to-be-deported-if-he-didn’t-get-another-visa-extension Obama entered into a quid-pro-quo: marriage of convenience/necessity/desperation. I suspect Obama,Sr. lied to the INS about the child being his, and where it was born - because it was essential for him to promote the charade of being its father.
I suspect all these things are the primary reason there is nothing - NOTHING - of Barry’s existance in Hawaii, or of his mother’s being in Hawaii [except for fall ‘61 semester] - until after Obama left Hawaii for Harvard in August, 1962. And even at that, there is no tangible evidence of Stanley Ann & Barry being there until photos of him when he appears closer to three than to two years old.
It’s been verified by the Univ. of Hawaii that Stanley Ann was enrolled there for the fall semester, 1960. It has also been verified that she was enrolled at the Univ. of Washington for the fall semester, 1961. In fact, the only undisputed documents relative to Stanley Ann prior to 1964 where those statements of enrollment.
There has now been published [FOIA] an INS file on Barack Obama the elder - covering his time at univ. of Hawaii, and also his time at Harvard. In early 1961 he was trying to get an extension on his student visa. The chronology and content of those documents and memos indicates that very possibly Stanley Ann “married” him as a favor, the thinking being that with a U.S. citizen spouse, deporting him would be less likely. [Interestingly, the scenario/circumstance was almost the same a few years later when she married Lolo soetoro as he was in the throes of facing deportation over his expired visa.]
The INS documents on Obama, Sr tell how - after this process against him had begun unfolding, he suddenly announced - surprise, surprise - he had married a U.S. citizen. This didn’t go over too well with the univ. of Hawaii, or the INS, because he already had a wife and child in Kenya. They were also concerned because Mr. Obama had been building a reputation on campus as someone whose motto was “All you gurlz panties R mine!”. the wording in the April 12, 1961 memo is: “If he were convicted of bigamy we might get a deportation charge but not before.” [A few years later, Harvard pressed the point; Sr. was informed he would have to complete his thesis in Kenya because they were booting him out of the U.S. for the same reason: moral turpitude.]
Of particular interest is this final sentence of the 4/12/61 INS memo [caps mine, for emphasis]:
“Recommend that Subject be closely questioned before another extension is granted - and denial be considered. IF HIS USC [U.S.Citizen] WIFE TRIES TO PETITION FOR HIM MAKE SURE AN INVESTIGATION IS CONDUCTED AS TO THE BONA-FIDE OF THE MARRIAGE.”
The first sentence of this memo is very curious [again, caps mine]:
“Mrs. McCabe, University of Hawaii, Foreign Student advisor, called on 4/10/61 and reported that Barack H. Obama, a student at the University since 1959 was married on February 2, 1961 to Stanley Ann Dunham, a United states citizen FROM SEATTLE, WASHINGTON in Maui, Hawaii.”
This was written 4/12/61. According to Stanley Ann’s son, barry - she graduated from Mercer Island, Washington in [May or June] 1960, and she and her parents immediately moved to Hawaii. She enrolled at the Univ. of Hawaii for the fall 1960 semester. By April 12, 1961, Stanley ann and her parents had been legal residents of the state of Hawaii for approximately 9 months. So why does the INS describe Stanley Ann not as “a United States citizen resident of Hawaii who married Obama in Maui, but as “FROM” Seattle, Washington. She had not lived in Seattle since she was in the 8th grade, Her family had moved to Seattle thenm but a year later had moved to Mercer Island - closer to Bellevue, WA than to Seattle.
Another memo, dated 8/31/61, re: Obama, Barack H. A11938537 [caps mine]:
“U.S.C. spouse to GO to Wash, State University next semester.” - and - “They have one child born Honolulu on 8/4/61 - Bqarack Obama II, CHILD LIVING WITH MOTHER (SHE LIVES WITH HER PARENTS 7 SUBJECT RESIDES AT 1482 ALINEASTRE ST.)”
These documents can be seen/printed at Scribd; link is via www.HeatherSmathers.com Heather Smathers is the journalist who filed the FOIA request for the docs.
Because of the descriptive wording in these INS documents, I suspect Stanley Ann attended Univ. of Hawaii for that 1961 fall semester, but that when she turned up pregnant she was hustled back to Washington - hence the INS referring to her as “from Seattle”. I also suspect that Barry was born somewhere in Washington state [ or across the border in Canada]; that he won’t reveal his actual birth certificate because the student Barack Obama is not on that certificate as his father; that the already pregnant/shamefully unmarried Stanley ann and the likely-to-be-deported-if-he-didn’t-finesse-another-visa-extention Obama entered into a quid-pro-quo: marriage of convenience/necessity/desperation. I suspect Obama, Sr lied to the INS about the child being his, and where it was born - because it was expedient for him to promote the charade of being its father.
I suspect all these things are the primary reason there is nothing - NOTHING - of Barry’s existance in Hawaii, or of his mother’s being in Hawaii [except for fall ‘61 semester] - until after Sr. left Hawaii for Harvard in August 1962. Even at that, there is no tangible evidence of Stanley Ann and Barry being there until the photos of him when he appears closer to three than to two years of age.