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However, ya gotta admit that Ron Paul's off-the-wall supporters are much more numerous, vocal, and activist, than the off-the-wall supporters of any other top-10 candidate...... so far, at least.

Nope. Not even close (look at the Obamites--and though they might be on the other side, he is in the 'top ten' for the job (just not on my list of who to vote for)).

All I have to admit is that there seems to be an unhealthy obsession with the media and many here with posting/publicizing/giving bandwidth and airtime to a wide assortment of fringe element and undesirable supporters in hopes that will somehow discredit the candidate they support, not just Ron Paul, but whoever just moved ahead in the polls.

See a pattern yet?

Apparently, that's as effective as the mob mentality it plays to.

If John Wayne Gacy had donated to the Reagan Campaign, would that have made Ron a serial killer? Same mentality.

If he said she said she said there might have been something but it can't be discussed, does that mean Herman Cain cheated on his diet?--20 years ago?

I still can't believe that snowballed allegations (which turned out to be unfounded, not to mention racist in their meme) were used as the cornerstone of the dungheap thrown at that man--and plenty of people here played along, some gleefully.

Now which candidates are going to shut the doors on a few Departments in the Federal Government (from the outside, close them down)? Are we out of those yet?

Do issues matter, or only the poo-flinging?

While everyone is merrily digging in their Depends for the next handful to throw, there isn't a Conservative candidate left in the top tier. We're "settling" before the Iowa Caucus? Huh?

What's left is this nation's death warrant. It isn't going to help us to have the world's best military if we can't afford to field it when we need it.

But we'll have a strong military, wherever they get stuck when we go broke.

In the meantime, someone somewhere has got to be laughing their a$$ off at the apparent meltdown over someone that people say they won't vote for, who isn't a "serious candidate", who is a "nutter", disavowed by the Republicans (Whoop-de-doo.) because he isn't. one. of. them. Why, did you hear he actually wants to close some departments instead of make budding tyranny more efficient! The nerve!..

Well, if that isn't contrary to the Party's plans for the future, why no serious discussion of the things he is right about on (domestic policy) instead of the big shout-down straight out of Alinsky?

If he isn't going to get the nomination, and isn't going to get elected, but is so often grudgingly admitted to be "...right about that...", then instead of an orgy of transitive ad hominems how about demanding some of the other candidates get the domestic policy part right? (There are still a couple left, aren't there?--even though all the non-'insider establishment' candidates have been pretty much systematically eliminated, Chicago-style, from the top tier).

Instead the collective is going to emplace someone who either continues to help us down the road to the abyss (just more slowly), or fiddle merrily while the hellbound train of American Politics steams, fit to burst, toward the end of the line--provided they even get elected--which if not, will have the same result--the destruction of this Nation by spending it to death while usurping the power to make it a Totalitarian State.

This site has been my homepage for a long time, a link to news and sanity while I work away from home on oil rigs, a fellowship of freedom loving people, and an opportunity to chip in my $0.02 from time to time. It's sad to see some posters here frothing at the mouth and wild-eyed, eating their own over someone we are assured won't get the nod anyway...and frankly, losing any respect I had for them.

In the meantime, the issues, the domestic issues, the part that really matters--who stands for what--get largely ignored along with many of the evils of the current regime...and, God help us, the childish revelry over Republican not-cannibalism (because the candidate to be shredded has been voted off the island) makes this site increasingly less relevant as a place for intelligent discussion.

We're all frustrated at the second season of 2008, but perhaps it would be better to focus on the real enemy--and anyone who gets most of domestic policy right is way ahead of the incumbent. We don't have to embrace that particular candidate to accept and promote their good ideas, but this sort of summary disposal is going to pitch the babies out with the bathwater.

So how about we sit down and think (yes, actually think a little) and come up with a list of the agencies we want disbanded, the Departments we'd cut completely, the regulations we'd roll back, the decisions we'd overturn, the crooks we'd prosecute, the investigations we'd fund, the laws we want repealed, and throw in a judicial appointment or two and see which candidate of those left would do it the way We the People want?