the day they dropped Phonics was the day children in this country stopped learning to read, sight reading is same/same as reading Chinese or other Asian languages... thank you teachers union
Posted on 01/02/2012 7:18:49 PM PST by BruceDeitrickPrice
the day they dropped Phonics was the day children in this country stopped learning to read, sight reading is same/same as reading Chinese or other Asian languages... thank you teachers union
So what happens in sight reading when you spot a word you haven’t sighted before. Yeah( I know it should be seen, LOL)
you are lost... with phonics you learned prefixes and suffixes so you could sound a word out and at least usually had some idea of what it's about the teachers union is evil incarnate
“...sight reading is same/same as reading Chinese or other Asian languages”
Not really, if it was, we wouldn’t have the reading mess - after all, they do quite well learning their languages. No, the Asian languages are visual-based. There are no capital letters in “zjur” or whatever the hell they call it, there isn’t italics, there isn’t anything to confuse them. Those languages do work by sight.
No, English is a Phonics-based language. The schools tried Whole Language (sight-reading) and it failed. So what did they do? They got rid of Whole Language (yea) and replaced it with Sight-Words (sight-reading), through THIRD GRADE - a whole 315 of them words. Then they go to phonics (i.e., after the kid is 9 YEARS OLD). By then, they’ve accomplished their goal - the AMERICAN kid will be a crappy reader for life, thus helping to make up for our past sins around the world.
http://www.mrsperkins.com/dolch.htm
So I will only say to people out there with young kids - DO NOT LET THEM ‘LEARN’ READING THIS WAY!!! I realize that a lot of you will still send you kids to public school, and I’m not here to judge you on that, but whatever you do, DO NOT let them be taught sight words before they learn to actually read - it will destroy them (same advice for kids going to private schools).
Any normal kid can learn to read through phonics by Age 5. Teach them - or have them taught, but make darn sure that they can read BEFORE they step into Kindergarten. You get ONE CHANCE to get this right for each of your kids, don’t blow it.
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This reads like the la leche league nazis who drove my wife into nearly fatal post partem depression. It's sick.
I'm no fan of the public schools, but blind faith in a system of "phonics" rules in a language that's been blended from Romance, Germanic, and Celtic tongues is just stupid. You're as bad as the Dolch only crowd.
Phonics only is just as abusive to kids as training them up on sight words only. Get a life. Use the tools that work, when they work. Parts of English are phonics based. Parts are not. Get over it.
all our kids learned to read phonetically at home and well before the rest of their class
“Phonics only is just as abusive to kids as training them up on sight words only. Get a life. Use the tools that work, when they work. Parts of English are phonics based. Parts are not. Get over it. “
One of the hard things in life for a lot of conservatives to grasp is that things CAN be black and white. Phonics is clearly a case of that. Just as traditional math vs. fuzzy math is also a no-brainer.
I’m sorry if you put your faith in sight-words (or didn’t know better at the time)...but I’m really trying to reach parents that still have options.
My mom used to tell me that the first word I read out loud was “watermelon” from a grocery ad when I was 4 years old. That is a pretty easy word to sound out. A year afterwards I could spell “Albuquerque.” It was no big deal to me, but again it sounds out easily except for the “qu” quirk (and Q is virtually always followed by U in English so it is not a hard rule). It stuns me that this was considered precocious! English speaking parents ought to help kids sound out words from the earliest age they can begin to recognize letters in words. A non-phonics-aided approach stinks at producing competent spellers, let alone readers.
Don’t put them into the public school period.....It is not only designed intentionally to destroy intelligence, but it is specifically designed to target morality and Christian/Jewish Ethics——destroy that paradigm and replace it with the moral relativism of Marx/heathens/pagans/muslims.
BK Eakman’s book, THe Cloning of the American Mind explains how the strands and methodologies are immersed in BF SKINNER behaviorism to elicit one response-—from children—the Marxist/hedonist one.
Billy Ayers and cultural Marxists from the 30’s on—have infiltrated all textbooks to totally transform us—remove the Christian paradigm that we have always operated under and replace it with Marxism-—where there is no difference between boys and girls-—they are interchangeable-—hell with science and biology and Truth—there is no God—no Right and Wrong.
Just what “feels good, Do it”-—the cultural Marxist pervert Marcuse. Destroy the morality of children-—corrupt them—fill their heads with nonsense—remove the Classics—everything which teaches Virtue—Duty =Justice Truth and replace it with sodomy and put up heroes like Milk who was a pederast and like the pederast and homosexual founder who was a Communist—Hays.
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You’ve yet to answer this question, so I predict that you will ignore this one as well: how do you explain all those countries that out score us on literacy, yet have written languages that aren’t phonetic? Of choose you can’t, or won’t, because phonics is not the answer.
Rarely do I see such arrogance combined with such a profound lack of knowledge about a topic. Ah, but this is the internet, where everyone gets to pretend that his opinion is sound. You sound exactly like a government school employee.
Odd. I taught my children whole wood in Homeschool because I recognized that phonics is a sham, and as adults now, they are doing fine.
“all our kids learned to read phonetically at home and well before the rest of their class “
So here are my questions (based on my other response, which wasn’t as friendly):
1) Did you EVER try to get them to read ANY words by sight (i.e., memorizing the shape of the word) before they could sound out words?
2) Are any of them crappy readers today?
3) Do any of them have dyslexia?
4) Do you see ANY value at all in doing Sight Words first, or in parallel with phonics?
They dropped phonics because of Cultural Marxist infiltration-—Communists were writing and designing all curricula (Dr. Ruggs, Dr. Counts) and when parents in the 30’s revolted because for the first time in the history of America we were putting illiterates out—who went to school for years and still couldn’t read-—AND
THEY agreed to put “phonics” back in to appease the angry parents. What the parents didn’t understand was that the Marxists were intentionally destroying the ability to be educated-—and when they replaced it-—it was a pseudo-phonics-—to trick parents.
Look up the difference between Explicit and Implicit phonics. Many parents THINK there schools teach “Phonics” but they are WRONG-—FOOLED by the Billy Ayers type who are writing all the Curricula.
Read Beverly Eakman’s book-—it will make you sick and want to burn ALL TEXTBOOKS__DESTROY DOE—ALL UNIONS etc. We have to get local control of schools and go back to Classical Education. YESTERDAY!!!!!
If your schools (and most are) teaching IMPLICIT phonics GET IT OUT!!! These curricula writers are evil-—this is all intentional folks-—burn all of Billy Ayers stuff-—worldview is in all the texts and they will be little hedonists/atheists/marxist when they go through these textbooks.
http://www.nrrf.org/essay_Explicit_or_Implicit_Phonics.html
“My mom used to tell me that the first word I read out loud was “watermelon” from a grocery ad when I was 4 years old. “
My oldest sounded out “book store” when he just under 4 years old. I remember it like it was yesterday, because prior to that, I really thought that I might be abusing him, by making him learn all these weird sounds. HE HATED IT!!! And I zero background in how to teach it and nothing assisting me - I was totally winging it (but I did read enough Thomas Sowell to know that I was taking the right approach).
One he sounded out that word, it was 6 months until he read Hamlet cover to cover, playing out the parts. He never looked back. Needless to say, I did the same with my other kids.
Yes, that’s my thesis: “DO NOT LET THEM ‘LEARN’ READING THIS WAY!!...make darn sure that they can read BEFORE they step into Kindergarten!”
Exactly. The craziness continues in many schools. So inoculate children before they go to school. Ages 2-5. Plenty of time. Then, if the kid is shown a Dolch word but reads it phonetically, he’s safe.
I think this is the really simple, cheap way to save the country, and to defeat what Potter called “the sight-word monster.”
[This strategy is the basis of “54: Preemptive Reading” (just Google title) on Improve-Education.org. Also see something new: “61: Early Literacy Pack.”]
“Don’t put them into the public school period.....It is not only designed intentionally to destroy intelligence, but it is specifically designed to target morality and Christian/Jewish Ethics——destroy that paradigm and replace it with the moral relativism of Marx/heathens/pagans/muslims.”
Obviously I won’t argue with you...but, like it or not, most FReepers will do that. But even the private schools (at least here in Texas) get dragged down by the public schools...it is a mess. Parents really have to take control of at least the critical areas of education (i.e., math and reading).
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