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Iowa ethanol industry celebrates Romney-Santorum
Washington Examiner ^ | January 4, 2012 | Timothy P. Carney

Posted on 01/05/2012 1:35:21 AM PST by Cincinatus' Wife

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To: rintense; dirtboy
I bet Perry goes after everyone BUT Mitt.

PERRY is the only one who has been going after Mitt.

Carbon Copies [60 second video campaign ad]

Mitt: That's -- I'm running for office, for Pete's sake, I can't have illegals. [video clip]

And Perry's gone after Mitt (A LOT) on hiding his support for mandated health care (remember the $10,000. bet?).

Rick Perry Campaign: "Romney's Remedy" Ad

51 posted on 01/05/2012 6:14:01 AM PST by Cincinatus' Wife
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To: dirtboy

Can you tell the truth or do you just think I’m going to buy that “bullcrap” from you?


52 posted on 01/05/2012 6:16:11 AM PST by Cincinatus' Wife
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53 posted on 01/05/2012 6:26:52 AM PST by shield (Rev 2:9 Woe unto those who say they are Judahites and are not, but are of the syna GOG ue of Satan.)
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To: Cincinatus' Wife
Uh, CW, please show where I have bashed Perry using Dem talking points against him, the way you did here with Santorum. My critiques over the last three months or so have been against his campaign and the fact that you and other Perry supporters scurry out to bash candidates polling ahead of Perry. And his campaign HAS been ineffective, given his fifth-place finish in Iowa despite all the money and effort he put into that state.

You are calling me a liar, so back it up. Show me the posts where I have taken Dem talking points to bash Perry. Especially over the last 2-3 months.

54 posted on 01/05/2012 6:28:46 AM PST by dirtboy
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To: dirtboy

All anyone has to do is look at this thread.

Typical “dirt” boy.


55 posted on 01/05/2012 6:34:36 AM PST by Cincinatus' Wife
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To: Cincinatus' Wife
Show me one bash of Perry on this thread, CW, other than his campaign is mired in single digits, which is the truth, and that his campaign has been poorly run, which also is the truth.

You are such a slime - you call me a liar and are too lazy to back it up with any kind of links. So who REALLY is the liar here?

56 posted on 01/05/2012 6:37:06 AM PST by dirtboy
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To: dirtboy
You are such a slime -

This is how you post. This is your MO and how you post to ball up threads. Own it.

57 posted on 01/05/2012 6:40:18 AM PST by Cincinatus' Wife
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To: dirtboy

lol...pointing out Santorums weak record is “tearing down” to you? Hope Ricky doesn’t have that thin a skin...he’s gonna get blasted off the map pretty quick.


58 posted on 01/05/2012 6:42:08 AM PST by magritte
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To: Cincinatus' Wife

Funny, CW - you are the one calling me a liar while refusing to back it up. You are the one attacking another candidate with Dem talking points. Yet you lecture ME on how I post on these threads? BWAHAHAHAHA! You funny. Pathetic, but funny.


59 posted on 01/05/2012 6:42:36 AM PST by dirtboy
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To: Cincinatus' Wife
Oh, and BTW, CW, I HAVE defended Perry when Dem attacks are used against him. Can you point to you doing that when Dem attacks are used against the other candidates?

Probably not, since you are often the instigator of such attacks.

60 posted on 01/05/2012 6:44:58 AM PST by dirtboy
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To: dirtboy

Are you on medication?


61 posted on 01/05/2012 6:48:09 AM PST by Cincinatus' Wife
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To: magritte
pointing out Santorums weak record is “tearing down” to you? Hope Ricky doesn’t have that thin a skin...he’s gonna get blasted off the map pretty quick.

Santorum is a mixed bag, like all of the candidates. That is the case 99 44/100ths of the time.

You can choose to focus on the negatives of an opposing candidate. Or you can choose to make the case for yours.

62 posted on 01/05/2012 6:48:27 AM PST by dirtboy
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To: Cincinatus' Wife

Nice slur, CW. It’s all you’ve got left. I can’t recall ONE TIME that you have posted in defense of the other candidates over the last few months when they are unfairly attacked. Because often times you are leading those attacks. Yet you are the first to complain when Perry is unfairly treated on a thread.


63 posted on 01/05/2012 6:49:57 AM PST by dirtboy
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To: Cincinatus' Wife
22 years is close enough to a quarter of a century for me...LOL
64 posted on 01/05/2012 6:54:10 AM PST by World'sGoneInsane (We Can Take OUR Country Back--Perry 2012)
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To: dirtboy

I stick to my own threads 98% of the time.

I’m not hard to find.


65 posted on 01/05/2012 6:55:43 AM PST by Cincinatus' Wife
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To: DoughtyOne
"Romney spent more there, and barely eaked out an 8 point victory, and did essentially no better than he did in 2008. That’s kind of a sleazy tactic."

I thought I'd point out that Romney "barely eaked[sic] out" a 8 vote victory out of 138,165 cast, which translates into a 0.0057% margin. If there had been a runoff (and there should have been) Santorum would have won easily. As it is, they still split the state's delegates, so Santorum came out fine. =)

I'm optimistic he'll place ahead of Romney in South Carolina, if not win it outright.

66 posted on 01/05/2012 6:57:16 AM PST by PreciousLiberty (Real Hope - Santorum '12!!!)
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To: Cincinatus' Wife
I stick to my own threads 98% of the time. I’m not hard to find.

And how many of those threads bash other candidates? Should I do an inventory of your positive to negative threads over, say, the last week?

Like I said, you don't defend the other candidates against unfair attacks, as you often are the instigator for such.

67 posted on 01/05/2012 6:58:34 AM PST by dirtboy
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To: dirtboy

http://www.freerepublic.com/tag/by:cincinatuswife/index?tab=articles

My posts are an open record.


68 posted on 01/05/2012 7:05:01 AM PST by Cincinatus' Wife
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To: Cincinatus' Wife

Yep, plenty of threads attacking other candidates.


69 posted on 01/05/2012 7:07:07 AM PST by dirtboy
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To: magritte
"Sorry. I’ll support a successful big-state governor, veteran, farmer, with a clear, good record on conservative values and ideas anytime over a lame resume like that."

That's nice. On the other hand, in the debates Perry has shown nothing like the kind of wit and intellect needed to run this country.

I've heard he may have been on medication for his back problems. We'll see if he does well enough in upcoming debates to claw his way back into the top tier. It's very doubtful.

On the other hand, Santorum is a rising star. This speech convinced me. Please watch the whole thing. I'm convinced his ideas, background and personality can not only win the primary, but handily defeat 0.

70 posted on 01/05/2012 7:08:52 AM PST by PreciousLiberty (Real Hope - Santorum '12!!!)
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To: PreciousLiberty
On the other hand, Santorum is a rising star. This speech convinced me. Please watch the whole thing. I'm convinced his ideas, background and personality can not only win the primary, but handily defeat 0.

Actions and one's record speak the loudest. Gov. Perry has a record of accomplishment and the Texas model.

Obama's got squat.

71 posted on 01/05/2012 7:12:54 AM PST by Cincinatus' Wife
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72 posted on 01/05/2012 7:16:17 AM PST by TheOldLady (FReepmail me to get ON or OFF the ZOT LIGHTNING ping list)
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To: Cincinatus' Wife; dirtboy

Thats a lie. Newt has been hammering Romney consistently from the moment he got in the race. Unfortunately CW, the majority of you Perry folks have gone after everyone except Romney. Your posting history alone is proof you’ve gone after candidates other than Romney the majority of the time. If what’s gone on here on FR is an indication of the overall Perry strategy, and I believe it is, no wonder Perry has done so poorly.

You, the krishna cultists, and the campaign have been nothing more than ankle biters hoping to peel away votes from other candidates instead of attacking the big dog, Romney.


73 posted on 01/05/2012 7:29:19 AM PST by rintense
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To: rintense
Thats a lie. Newt has been hammering Romney consistently from the moment he got in the race. ...

Not so. Remember? Newt was the nice guy at the debates, saying anyone up here would be better than Obama -- only spent time picking on the moderators of the debates. Some say Newt behaves much like Ambassador Alan Keyes did generally speaking and in the debates.

Your posting history alone is proof you’ve gone after candidates other than Romney the majority of the time. If what’s gone on here on FR is an indication of the overall Perry strategy, and I believe it is, no wonder Perry has done so poorly.

I guess all those years supporting Palin were a waste of time (actually I've come to that conclusion lately).

You, the krishna cultists, and the campaign have been nothing more than ankle biters hoping to peel away votes from other candidates instead of attacking the big dog, Romney.

I can't hold a candle to the Jim Jones, led by the nose, "who's my candidate today" crowd.

74 posted on 01/05/2012 7:33:48 AM PST by Cincinatus' Wife
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To: Cincinatus' Wife

No, you’d just rather live in denial by continuing to support a lower tier candidate who will only help Romney. You refuse to even a knowledge his pitiful campaign or where Perry went wrong. All you do is spin.

Keep your cult.

I’ll keep my conservative principles.


75 posted on 01/05/2012 7:37:15 AM PST by rintense
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To: DoughtyOne; Cincinatus' Wife; All

At the same time that the family received the subsidies, they were also working under the hassles and taxes that come from the Fed and its bureaucracy.

Don’t forget those wise words of Senator Phil Gramm:
“If we should vote next week on whether to begin producing cheese in a factory on the moon, I almost certainly would oppose it...On the other hand, if the government decided to institute the policy, it would be my objective to see that a Texas contractor builds this celestial cheese plant, that the milk comes from Texas cows, and that the Earth distribution center is located in Texas.”


76 posted on 01/05/2012 7:41:21 AM PST by hocndoc (WingRight.org: Have mustard seed, not afraid to use it. Cut spending, now,now,now!)
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To: Cincinatus' Wife

Can you say ‘pandering?’

I thought you could.

Our candidate didn’t.


77 posted on 01/05/2012 7:42:17 AM PST by altura (Perry 2012)
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To: DoughtyOne

Sincerely, DoughtyOne, please give up your dreams of Santorum. It’s not gonna happen.

Come away from the dark side and support Perry.

He has a much better chance and would be a much better president.


78 posted on 01/05/2012 7:44:09 AM PST by altura (Perry 2012)
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To: LibLieSlayer

Not a ringing endorsement but I’ll take it.

Go Perry.


79 posted on 01/05/2012 7:46:50 AM PST by altura (Perry 2012)
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To: rintense

Which candidate is it that you are backing?


80 posted on 01/05/2012 7:48:24 AM PST by Cincinatus' Wife
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To: altura

Bump!


81 posted on 01/05/2012 7:48:59 AM PST by Cincinatus' Wife
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To: Cincinatus' Wife

It is not tearing down another candidate in my opinion.

It is a political race. Why be childish enough to think we should not point out the failings of other candidates and espouse the virtues of our own candidate?

That’s the sort of fake comity the press wants and why they dissed Newt Gingrich for not congratulating Romney. After what Romney did to him, Newt should have punched him in the mouth. Love to see what the effete sissy Romney would have done if Newt had done that. Sadly, Newt’s a little out of shape.

Rick Perry could do it, but, dang it, he’s a gentleman.


82 posted on 01/05/2012 7:51:31 AM PST by altura (Perry 2012)
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To: Cincinatus' Wife

I’ve posted over and over again, and answered this question from you numerous times.

I support conservatives.

Santorum. And if he leaves, barring a miracle entry, I’m voting 3rd party/write in.


83 posted on 01/05/2012 7:55:22 AM PST by rintense
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To: magritte

Thanks for figuring out a way to distinquish the two Ricks.

Rick is Governor Rick Perry.

Ricky, or as we call him ‘Little Ricky’ is the candidate who had one victory and will soon go home to the state that loves him so much that he lost his run for senator by the biggest margin ever in that state.


84 posted on 01/05/2012 7:55:40 AM PST by altura (Perry 2012)
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To: altura

Exactly.

When they can’t counter your points, they say you’re wrong to make them.

Good grief!

Why in the world are we having a primary then?


85 posted on 01/05/2012 7:59:38 AM PST by Cincinatus' Wife
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To: Cincinatus' Wife

Some of the constant Perry bashers will admit their candidates. Most of them won’t because their candidates have flaws far surpassing the nits they focus on with Perry.

I still think they all need to be on medication or on a psychiatrist’s couch.

What do they gain? They don’t erode support for Perry here as it is solid.

They certainly don’t gain support for their candidates most of whom they dare not name.

Maybe just knowing that they annoy us is reward enough.

If that so, it’s sad but ...

Live long and prosper.


86 posted on 01/05/2012 8:00:34 AM PST by altura (Perry 2012)
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To: PreciousLiberty

Santorum was a real fireball in the debates, wasn’t he?


87 posted on 01/05/2012 8:02:07 AM PST by altura (Perry 2012)
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To: All

There are people who have gone from adoration of one loser to the next to the next to the next and finally to Santorum.

Bet a dollar (or in Romney’s world $10,000) that none of them even considered Santorum a couple of weeks ago.

And then they say things like ‘if my candidate doesn’t win I won’t vote or I’ll write in this one or that one or I’ll vote 3rd party.’

I need to reiterate my four ways to vote for Obama.

1. Vote for Obama
2. Don’t vote
3. Write in somebody
4. Vote 3rd party.

It’s very selfish as a citizen of the United States to make any of those moves.

I love my candidate but I will vow (as he did) to support the Republican nominee.


88 posted on 01/05/2012 8:07:49 AM PST by altura (Perry 2012)
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To: altura

This is funny. I’m not sure when they’ll correct the headline (Perry is living in their heads rent-free).

http://www.wrdw.com/politics/headlines/Rick_Perry_focusing_on_New_Hampshire_136735438.html

Rick Perry focusing on New Hampshire

Relishing the momentum he’s gained from Iowa, former Pennsylvania Sen. Rick Santorum is talking as if he’s the Republican presidential standardbearer, focusing his campaign rhetoric on President Barack Obama rather than his GOP campaign rivals........


89 posted on 01/05/2012 8:15:34 AM PST by Cincinatus' Wife
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To: Cincinatus' Wife

“Actions and one’s record speak the loudest. Gov. Perry has a record of accomplishment and the Texas model.”

...and a fifth-place showing in Iowa.

I’m not particularly against Perry, I like his positions fine. However, he’s not shown that he’s got what it takes to defeat 0 or be a good President. I’ll watch him closely during the coming debates.

He’s an easy target for the Dems, as they’ll simply paint him as “another Texas governor in the mold of GWB”.


90 posted on 01/05/2012 8:17:01 AM PST by PreciousLiberty (Real Hope - Santorum '12!!!)
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To: PreciousLiberty

Whoever is the nominee will be a target.

So let’s move past that obvious point and give Obama the hardest target to hit.

Gov. Rick Perry.


91 posted on 01/05/2012 8:21:00 AM PST by Cincinatus' Wife
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To: altura

“Santorum was a real fireball in the debates, wasn’t he?”

He wasn’t given much time then - he’ll get plenty now. We’ll see.

Frankly, I could be happy with either him or Perry as the nominee, but I do have concerns about Perry’s intellectual horsepower. Santorum seems sharp as a tack.

Given Santorum’s recent momentum, and Perry’s lack of same, I’m going with Santorum for the time being. We’ll see how he does here in SC - that will be a crucial outcome for the entire field of candidates.


92 posted on 01/05/2012 8:21:58 AM PST by PreciousLiberty (Real Hope - Santorum '12!!!)
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To: PreciousLiberty

Precious, do you think any Republican candidate will be immune from attacks? Maybe Romney a little.

Rick Perry has withstood attacks for lo, these many years.

The liberals and the press in Texas are as nasty as they are anywhere and they totally despise Rick Perry because he is conservative.

They despise him more than they despised the Bushes.

But nothing they could say or do about him destroyed his popularity in Texas.

They persuaded Kaye Bailey Hutchison to run against him for the Republican nomination for governor.

Chuckling nastily to themselves, they thought Kaye would leave Perry a little puddle on the ground. Turned out, it was the other way around.

Perry has withstood attacks for years. He’s not as vulnerable to attacks as Newt or Santorum.

I understand your concern but it is baselss.


93 posted on 01/05/2012 8:23:31 AM PST by altura (Perry 2012)
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To: Cincinatus' Wife

“So let’s move past that obvious point and give Obama the hardest target to hit.

Gov. Rick Perry.”

I’d love to hear how you figure that...?

Perry can’t even generate much enthusiasm among Republicans, given his showing in Iowa and recent poll numbers.

Further, there is plenty of ammo the Dems can bring to bear against Perry, #1 simply being that he’s from Texas. After the successful smearing of GWB, the Texas governorship is an anathema.

Perry might be a fine VP pick for Santorum though... ;-)


94 posted on 01/05/2012 8:28:29 AM PST by PreciousLiberty (Real Hope - Santorum '12!!!)
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To: PreciousLiberty

Precious. Think about this.

Newt Gingrich was a dirty word on Free Republic a year ago.

One could be banned on the ‘no profanity’ clause by speaking his name.

Then Palin decided not to run and the extremely odd cult of Cain worshippers formed, and he dropped out.

Then the Palin/Cain people flocked to Newt, most because of his debate performances and a lot because he stuck it to the press and everyone despises the press.

Then, Newt’s negatives, which were always there, were emphasized in negative ads by Romney and Newt fell dramatically.

I hope you’re not gonna try to say that Rick Santorum was everybody’s favorite before he won Iowa. He wasn’t a blip on the radar. Apparently he spent an entire year in Iowa and won some hearts there.

Now, he’s a candidate with some momentum but not much money or organization.

He’s also a candidate who has never been attacked because he was never noticed.

The attacks begin today. They will be mean and effective.

the lack of enthusiasm you perceive for Perry could switch as quickly as all the other switches have happened.

People seem to be falling for the next candidate in line that they don’t hate.

South Carolina will tell the tale but don’t count Rick Perry out.


95 posted on 01/05/2012 8:49:11 AM PST by altura (Perry 2012)
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To: PreciousLiberty

Ah, but I’ve seen many a pretty speech. Rick S. (to distinguish him from Rick Perry)is a lawyer and a legislator: He talks for a living. He’s never actually done the kind of actual decision-making that Perry has (whether you agree his decisions or not).

If “wit and intellect” are your criteria for President, instead of actual work experience and success in an executive branch,obviously I won’t be able to convince you of the obvious shortcomings of having a rookie President.

Also, Santorum is not rising on anything other than “non-Romney of the month.” Otherwise, he would have been doing well earlier. He’s just the “last man standing” for social conservatives.


96 posted on 01/05/2012 8:49:44 AM PST by magritte
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To: PreciousLiberty
This Won’t Play Well in South Carolina…….“Santorum went on John King USA on CNN tonight and again defended earmarks claiming “Jim DeMint did it too” without acknowledging DeMint repented and has since led the fight against earmarks. When asked about what he may or may not have said about black welfare recipients, Santorum defended himself by claiming he got earmarks for a black community in Pennsylvania.

....Santorum is also going to have trouble in South Carolina because of his voting record. He opposed National Right to Work legislation.

In the 104th Congress Sen. Santorum joined all Democrats and a minority of Republicans in voting to filibuster the bill S. 1788, the National Right to Work Act of 1995. (“On the Cloture Motion (motion to invoke cloture on motion to proceed to consider S.1788),” Senate Bill Clerk, Vote Number: 188, www.senate.gov, 7/10/1996)

During that same congressional session, Santorum also voted to retain the 1930s-era Davis-Bacon Act that forces taxpayers to pay union wages in government-funded construction and gives Big Labor an unfair advantage over non-union companies and workers (“On the Motion to Table (motion to table Kennedy Amendment No. 4031 to S.Amdt. 4000 to S.Con.Res. 57),” Senate Bill Clerk, Vote Number: 134, www.senate.gov, 5/22/1996)

Santorum supported Arlen Specter over Pat Toomey in 2004 helping Specter secure the nomination. Specter went on to cast the 60th vote for Obamacare and then lost, in 2010, to Pat Toomey. Toomey, now in the Senate, is con-sponsoring Jim DeMint’s National Right to Work legislation — the very legislation Rick Santorum filibustered.

Santorum being on the wrong side of National Right to Work and Jim DeMint will do him no favors in South Carolina.”

97 posted on 01/05/2012 8:51:04 AM PST by Cincinatus' Wife
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To: altura
.........South Carolina will tell the tale but don’t count Rick Perry out.

Bump!

98 posted on 01/05/2012 8:52:40 AM PST by Cincinatus' Wife
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To: altura
I will vote for Perry without a doubt if he is the nominee... Santorum also.

LLS

99 posted on 01/05/2012 9:02:28 AM PST by LibLieSlayer (ONWARD CHRISTIAN SOLDIERS!)
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To: dirtboy

You have got to admit that it is interesting that those candidates who support ethanol subsidies got the vote from Iowans. I don’t blame the people there since it benefits them, but it is interesting nonetheless. The info on farm subsidies on Perry is interesting also. All of it needs to be in the mix so we can look at it, give it whatever weight we think it deserves, ask the candidates questions about it, get our answers and decide accordingly. In the spirit of transparency you know. I don’t see it as tearing down another candidate. If it is a fact, we should know about it.


100 posted on 01/05/2012 9:04:40 AM PST by maxter (Election is THIS year. Make it count.)
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