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To: CitizenUSA
It could also happen on the first try.

No it couldnt. The complexity of the image precludes this. This is why ‘infinity’ is cited in such arguments; something incalculably large is needed to lend plausibility to an argument that damn well needs the crutch. Calculating back from infinity is as ridiculous as calculating infinity.

39 posted on 01/12/2012 5:22:16 AM PST by TalBlack ( Evil doesn't have a day job.)
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To: TalBlack

I agree it’s far fetched to believe all this order was created out of pure chaos over a near infinity of time. However, that isn’t the same thing as saying it’s impossible. If something is possible, no matter how improbable, it could happen on the first try. Let’s say you want to roll ten dice at a time and get nothing but sixes one million times in a row. That’s highly improbable but not impossible. That sequence could happen the first time you start rolling or much, much later, but it would eventually occur given enough time.

I think your point is the probability of the universe springing into existence out of chaos is essentially impossible, because there simply isn’t enough time for it to occur. I agree. I believe it’s impossible. I’m a creationist. Nevertheless, I don’t think it’s possible to prove it’s impossible. I doubt anyone could create the math necessary to prove either way, because we are dealing with too many unknowns. It’s not like my dice problem where I set all the parameters.


41 posted on 01/12/2012 4:43:15 PM PST by CitizenUSA (What's special about bad? Bad is easy. Anyone can do it. Try good instead!)
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To: TalBlack

BTW, I’m only making the point that it’s impossible to prove one way or the other. That’s not a problem for me, because I think it’s far more easy to believe in the Creator than to think all this sprang out of nothing. A Creator not only fits all the other cause and effect observed in the universe, it also seems more probable than this all being created by chance. Either way, you and I cannot prove it.


42 posted on 01/12/2012 5:15:38 PM PST by CitizenUSA (What's special about bad? Bad is easy. Anyone can do it. Try good instead!)
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