Posted on 01/17/2012 3:23:31 AM PST by scottfactor
Boarding a plane this morning. Walking past was a guy openly carrying a book entitled Gay mans kama sutra. How the world has changed.
Yes, it is the end of Freedom of Religion and Free Speech.
Same sex practices and marriages are so henious it not only destroys individuals, but even whole nations.
“The wicked shall be turned into hell, and all the nations that forget God.” (Psalm 9:7)
“Blessed is the nation whose God is the LORD....” (Psalm 33:12a)
“For the wrath of God is revealed from heaven against all ungodliness and unrighteousness of men[and women], who hold the truth in unrighteousness.” (Romans 1:18)
They are in no way “antigay” - they sell coffee and play Christian music. “Gayness” has never even come up in the running of the business. They are not even fundamentalists; they identify more with a church that tries not to be divisive about such things. The owner is one of the religious types that doesn't like political talk at all.
The attacks have all the signs of several people utilizing multiple identities, that just absolutely HATE Christians.
My guess is a few bitter haters are searching out Christian businesses and viciously attacking them simply because they hate Christians so much they can't leave them in peace. It truly is a demonic conspiracy.
The first incident cited is invalid as the property in question was “public” - meaning the church had agreed to that definition as a stipulation.
The Law is the Law, whether we like it or not.
Solution? Get the law changed!
The Second incident is just plain sick.
She was brave to post it.
Yes we are at war with many evil things (in this case homosexuality). However,I’ve read the Book! We win in the end.
Apparently, Western gsy activists haven’t noticed that Islam wants to kill them.
It is all part of a suicidal Cultural Marxist Agenda.
Marxists intellectuals were shocked when the working class rallied to support their different countries in WW I instead of splitting along class lines as Marx predicted, so they started an agenda to destroy the morality and fundamental social values in the working class that supported this patriotism.
Ergo all the “liberal” support for the destructive social trends that have resulted in our 21st Century garbage culture.
I agree the law should be changed, but that property is not "public" property, it's private property owned by the ministry and rented out for certain occassions, but it is still part of a church. They have their Christian standards, and that includes not doing business in a way that contradicts their Christian knowledge. This is a trampling of the members of the ministry's First Amendment rights, period. No state law can take away your constitutional rights--well, that used to be the case, anyway.
It is interesting and shameful that two to three percent of the population have such a loud voice over the majority.
As to “free exercise,” the LAD is a neutral law of general application designed to uncover and eradicate discrimination; it is not focused on or hostile to religion. To the contrary, it carves away exceptions on behalf of religious organizations… Respondent can rearrange Pavilion operations, as it has done, to avoid this clash with the LAD. It was not, however, free to promise equal access, to rent wedding space to heterosexual couples irrespective of their tradition, and then except these petitioners.
IOW - the church agreed to the conditions in order to obtain a tax exemption, then violated that agreement.
After the incident, they restructed and, as the judge conceeds, they CAN now prohibit such ceremonies on thier property.
So, the end result is still the same: we are losing our First Amendment rights by “legal” hook and crook, and your point about changing the law, while right, does us no good when the powers that be will twist the law to fit their dark worldview, anyway. This remains a First Amendment case, because the church is prohibited from running its business in the manner it sees fit.
The whole tax exempt status is another ballgame in which churches have allowed the state/feds to rob First Amendment rights, as well.
This is actually quite clear and is being misrepresented by both the rigth and the left as to what it means.
The left claims a victory where there isn’t one - the judge specifically said that the property in question, after it had been removed from the tax exemption (which had NOTHING to do with the church itself!), is exempt from the ruling!
The right claims a defeat because a church can’t use “it’s” property as it sees fit. The judgement ONLY effects property which the church agreed to allow free and equal access. The judge ruled that, once the church asked for and received a tax exemption that specified that the property must be open to all - the church can not then decide no to abide by that agremment.
This has NOTHING to do with the First Amendment.
How far we have fallen.
So, in your opinion, the church is not bound by contracts it freely enters into?
The church did not enter into a “contract” to perform bogus “marriage” ceremonies that contradict biblical teachings.
This is yet another example of homosexual activists bringing Christians to court to force mainstream acceptance of their degenerate behavior. Regardless of how you want to “legally” parse it, we are losing our God-given rights in America.
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