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To: edge919
The Madison quote is important PRECISELY because:

1. Madison makes clear, in a case where even radical birthers agree on the Citizenship of the person involved, that more guidance from Congress would be helpful in the definitions of citizenship. In other words, Madison, Father of the Constitution, makes CLEAR that Congress can define BOTH Naturalized and Natural Born CITIZENSHIP!

2.) Madison says, clearly, that we need to go NO FURTHER, in this particular case, than to show that the person in question was born on United States soil.

Madison's opinion is much stronger the writings of Vattel.

Madison KNEW THE INTENT OF THE FOUNDERS.

The Frenchman, Vattel, can not and would not know the intent of the Founders.

“If birthers could read, they wouldn't be birthers”

34 posted on 02/09/2012 12:15:53 PM PST by Kansas58
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To: Kansas58
1. Madison makes clear, in a case where even radical birthers agree on the Citizenship of the person involved, that more guidance from Congress would be helpful in the definitions of citizenship. In other words, Madison, Father of the Constitution, makes CLEAR that Congress can define BOTH Naturalized and Natural Born CITIZENSHIP!

Well, no, there's nothing in this passage that says this at all. It's certainly not in the quote you posted.

2.) Madison says, clearly, that we need to go NO FURTHER, in this particular case, than to show that the person in question was born on United States soil.

... which was immediately followed by saying Smith based his claim on his birthright. He later says in the same speech: "If he was a minor, his consent was involved in the decision of that society to which he belonged by the ties of nature." The only ties of nature that made Smith a member of the society was through his parents.

Madison's opinion is much stronger the writings of Vattel. Madison KNEW THE INTENT OF THE FOUNDERS. The Frenchman, Vattel, can not and would not know the intent of the Founders.

A) Nothing here says anything about natural-born citizenship. B) It shows that Madison was rejecting the common law that would have otherise made Smith a natural-born subject with perpetual allegiance to the crown. C) Madison says only that Smith is a citizen:

So far as we can judge by the laws of Carolina, and the practice and decision of that state, the principles I have adduced are supported; and I must own that I feel myself at liberty to decide, that Mr. Smith was a citizen at the declaration of independence, a citizen at the time of his election, and consequently entitled to a seat in this legislature.

37 posted on 02/09/2012 12:39:14 PM PST by edge919
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