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To: edge919
Your arguments fail on several levels, but lets start with the fact that, before the 14th Amendment, States DID have the right to define citizenship issues.

And, Madison makes clear that he wanted Legislative guidance from either Congress or the State Legislature, and Madison says this in a case where even you radical birthers agree that the person was a Citizen.

54 posted on 02/09/2012 5:46:30 PM PST by Kansas58
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To: Kansas58
Your arguments fail on several levels, but lets start with the fact that, before the 14th Amendment, States DID have the right to define citizenship issues.

No, this means YOUR argument fails on several levels. I'm the one who pointed out that Madison referred ONLY to South Carolina's Constitution and laws.

And, Madison makes clear that he wanted Legislative guidance from either Congress or the State Legislature, and Madison says this in a case where even you radical birthers agree that the person was a Citizen.

He said NOTHING about wanting guidance from Congress. Other than the South Carolina constitution and laws, the only thing he said he needed for guidance were "principles of a general nature." And if he wanted guidance, he wouldn't have said, "I feel myself at liberty to decide, that Mr. Smith was a citizen at the declaration of independence ..."

And yes, Smith was a citizen. Obama, whose ancestors were not among the first settlers of Hawaii, had no birthright from his family. By Supreme Court precedence he was a British subject at birth, lock, stock and barrel.

58 posted on 02/09/2012 11:00:55 PM PST by edge919
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