[Persevero]

“Where is the difference?’

Conservatism is a three legged stool: fiscal, social, and foreign policy.

It is true, Libertarians are lock step with conservatives on fiscal policy. Where we can cooperate, we should.

However, their social and foreign policies are anti-human.

If you’d like to close all of our foreign bases, consider Bradley Manning a “patriot,” (quote Ron Paul), want heroin legalized and big ads for homosexual prostitutes at your bus stops, think possession of child porn should be legal and have no interest in defending Israel politically/militarily - you may be a Libertarian.

[Raider Sam]

Your post has nothing to do with what I asked.

The conservative movement does need help from libertarians, and labeling their policies anti-human to shut up debate does nothing to cut the growth of government.

But if you want to fit all libertarians into a box, then have at it. But dont wonder why government keeps growing.

[Sam Gamgee]

I think that is a great way of putting it. I think many laisse faire conservatives struggled to find a better descriptor because they didn't want to be lumped in with the big government social conservative, or big government neoconservative (pro national defense) crowd. In that regard I think classical liberal is a better descriptor, although there are some nut jobs there as well (Murray Rothbard).