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To: TexasRepublic

TexasRepublic, I agree they don’t have the desired energy density of modern alternatives but I strongly dispute they are more expensive. That is strictly a function of low production volume as their basic construction does not require expensive materials. They are so simple in design they can be built in the home albeit not as efficient as a manufactured Edison Battery.

In energy density two things must be considered. Density as it relates to physical size and density as it relates to weight. The Edison has the lead acid battery beat on both fronts. It lags behind Lithium Ion and some more exotic batteries HOWEVER their basic design is so simple, sound, long lived, there might just be a trade off to allow for more space consumed by an Edison battery.

There is a very good reason Exide went through the expense of buying the manufacturing rights and then completely shut down production. You don’t do that unless you do not want that product on the market shelf. There had been significant improvements in the design of the anode construction and I believe that is what Exide wanted to withhold. That improvement would have increased energy density and as it was simply a modified configuration of existing materials such a modification would have a subsequent reduction in cost per watt.

Given the configuration of the Chevy Volt, Edison Batteries would have fit and been a better choice for initial cost and cost per mile and less toxic. After all it is nothing more than a highly rechargeable alkaline battery with relatively inexpensive components. Oh, by the way, China has also bought up significant mining rights for the metals involved in this battery.

Regarding caps blowing up, YUP big time. I use some large caps in a 3 phase converter for my pipe organ and twice they decided to let out the magic smoke all at one time. BANG!

Regarding such an experience in a car, certainly in ANY electric vehicle, emergency crews need to be trained in the hazards of such a power plant.


27 posted on 02/20/2012 3:33:18 PM PST by Wurlitzer (Welcome to the new USSA (United Socialist States of Amerika))
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To: Wurlitzer

“I strongly dispute they are more expensive”

As I recall, Edison batteries were made from nickel and iron. Nickel is currently $9.80 per pound. I don’t know what the manufacturing today would cost. Did you ever read how they were made? Thin layers of nickel and copper were alternately electroplated onto a substrate and then the copper was dissolved, leaving nickel flakes so fine they would float in the air. Those were then crammed into porous metal tubes under high pressure. Edison refined the manufacture so far (after 10 years of development) that I am not sure how much improvement along those lines could be made. Sooner or later, you reach the theoretical limits of materials. In other words, you cannot violate physics.


29 posted on 02/20/2012 4:18:44 PM PST by TexasRepublic (Socialism is the gospel of envy and the religion of thieves)
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