If this is what you mean, it's still there...but it's a chicken and egg question isn't it? Which came first?
Posted on 03/13/2012 3:39:58 PM PDT by rxsid
And so far as I can tell the birth certificate signature does touch the line in at least one place -- or even in two places, if not more.
Most people have to sign their names hundreds or thousands of times in their lifetimes.
It's not hard to find a signature where you may not have used the line among the many signatures where you did.
That's especially the case with official forms, where you aren't given a line so much as a box.
Trying to fit in (Stanley) along with Ann Dunham Obama meant that she was already altering her usual mode of signing in order to fit extra information into the box.
Once you try to write smaller you commit yourself to taking up less space.
Much ado about nothing.
How did Sr. get out of serving time?
If this is what you mean, it's still there...but it's a chicken and egg question isn't it? Which came first?
HI is one of the states that doesn't recognize such marriages (Common Law), that is...one without a state issued marriage license or recording.
Well, much of this is well beyond the scope of what the U.S. court system could demand in terms of witness testimony. However, that doesn’t mean Obama himself would not bring her in.. at any rate, It is a moot point.
As for Marguet-Pillado, the 9th Circus does not, and cannot overturn SCOTUS. Unless M-P is is on track to SCOTUS, then it isn’t binding upon National Law. It applies only in M-P until it IS brought to SCOTUS. So again, it is a moot point.
Minor V. Happersett is still the law of the land.
There’s much in what you say that makes sense, and one thing in particular stands out; she couldn’t take him anywhere or be party to an adoption without custody.
AND THE DIVORCE GAVE HER THAT.
It also made the ‘birthdate’ official. In the absence of a birth certificate - that was all she had.
The one thing that finally enabled me to turn the corner on my clinging to Stanley as the mother was the entire Seattle situation. The whole Seattle shebang.
And the divorce with no record of marriage, cohabitation, even any evidence they ever saw or knew each other in the appropriate time frame.
I know for a fact that the INS deported BHO Sr. due to probable bigamy and that the INS FOIA evidence is in the GA court file headed to SCOTUS.
Obama attorney Jablonski cited Marguet-Pillado to the GA Superior Court as making Barry NBC so that is ALSO on the way to SCOTUS. IMO, the ONLY on-point parallel that Jablonski can claim between Barry and Marguet-Pillado is birth on foreign soil to a SINGLE mom and a biological relationship to a US citizen with the US citizen meeting the residence requirement. SADO only meets the residence requirement if she is single.
If Jablonski were to cite Marguet-Pillado and a claim that the BHO Sr.-SADO marriage was legitimate, SADO would NOT meet the residence requirement and Jablonski would be guilty of legal malpractice in exposing Barry to not even being a citizen, if born in Kenya!
The INS said that bigamy was not technically a deportable offense, even if proved. Only a DA in HI could bring a charge and evidence or witnesses would have to have been obtained in Kenya.
To get rid of BHO Sr. the INS colluded with Harvard to eject him by indirect means. Harvard also found BHO’s rampant predations offensive and the way they did it was to cut off his funding for his Ph.D. Without funding his education visa could not be extended by INS.
There is a long feature article of which I have a screencap that states the son of the kenyan attended his funeral. There was a second article on a Kenyan website that described his presence at the funeral as 'he came, he mourned at the gravesite and left quietly' (that second article has been removed and I do not have a copy.) The person who made that comment to the interviewer wasn't named. I assume it was someone from the village - who wouldn't have recognized zero even if he had been there, which he wasn't, his first visit was AFTER the funeral.
Also, it seems (to me) unlikely that since Malik “grew up” with and remembers the original BHO, that the clan doesn’t really think Zero is the son of the Kenyan. But it sure brings them a bit of fame, no doubt monies, and perhaps they’ve had pressure put on them in other ways as well. So, “yes, he’s our village boy, yessirree!”
I think they had to know...and they were rewarded. Life improved for them all, granny' Sarah made the hajj. The Prime Minister of Kenya, Raila Oginga, visited her and she has received numerous awards...
If the dark boy, the original BHO, had never lived in Kenya, then their belief that Zero was actually the son of the Kenyan might be plausible, despite to complete lack of any resemblance. But....
...BUT there he is, standing with his father and Ruth in the family group. I suppose a lot depends on whether he ever spent time in the village, but if you remember, 'granny' Sarah did say 'even the President of the United States passed through my hands' - poor old thing, she was just doing her best - someone passed through her hands alright, his name was BHO2, and passing through their hands is simply a tribal custom where all the members of the clan touch the new arrival.
Which is what the dark boy was, when you think about it...he arrived in 1964, born early 1961 made him almost four. It's really no wonder she said that she was at the birth in Mombasa of BHO2, is it now? What do you think she's going to say? 'I first saw him when he came to the village when his father brought him to introduce him to his relatives when he was FOUR' !?
Recent photographs of 'granny' show her always with Said, (or SAYD) her youngest son in attendance. She's not allowed to speak on her own anymore...
I remember seeing the original of this LFBC with all of the information filled in including the signatures the features of which are still peeking out from under the white-out tape. The forger of the Blaine BC filled in the BHO related info and also forged security paper to fill in the whited-out areas.
The person who allowed their BC to be put up may have changed their mind, as it invited identity theft.
It was my understanding that the INS deported him because his visa was expires. Harvard decided they were not going to sponsor an extension.
“It was my understanding that the INS deported him because his visa was expires. Harvard decided they were not going to sponsor an extension.”
You are correct. It was a ruse to get rid of BHO Sr. The collusion is in the INS FOIA files on the way to SCOTUS along with Marguet-Pillado.
See #128
I don’t know that it was a ruse per say, 1) he was out of money, 2) he was sleeping around and didn’t the university get a complaint from the parents of a girl he pursued? 3) Harvard didn’t want a penniless foreign student mauling girls under the auspices of the University. Not only was the liability in such a case high, it made the University LOOK bad. Heaven knows Harvard isn’t twitchy about their image...
It wasn’t a pretext, the man was a liability and out of money. Why extend a visa? There is no way for Harvard to win in that scenario.
I am glad that the INS info is going to get included. It SHOULD be!
Michelle said she was "very young and very single" so where did that come from? Just more lies or a slip up?
http://blog.showmeprogress.com/showDiary.do?diaryId=1297
« Editorial: Oct. 19, 2009 »The Blaine Document
October 19, 2009 by John Charlton
WILLIAM BLAINE RELEASES PURPORTED OBAMA CERTIFICATE OF LIVE BIRTH
by John Charlton
(Oct. 20, 2009) — At 10:22 PM Last evening someone purporting to be William Blaine issued the following email:
Date: Mon, 19 Oct 2009 22:15:27 -0400
Subject: Obama Birth Proof
+ Cert.pdf
My client has asked me to share this with you and asks that you share it with as many patriots as possible so that it cannot be scrubbed from existance.
I trust you will know what to do with this.
http://thepostnemail.wordpress.com/2009/10/19/the-blaine-document/
I have been referring to what you call the BLAINE DOCUMENT as ‘the application’ - now which came first, the item with the names removed (of which artifacts remain) OR THE ABOVE?
Disclaimer: I have no further information than anyone else has - if this item is genuine or fake, I have no idea. It’s just another piece of the puzzle. But this much I can say, the date coincides with the birth/death announcement of Virginia, and Madelyn did not create this forgery, unless she didn’t know how to spell her own name, or the name of the street.
But it sure does LOOK LIKE ‘per grandmother’ attempted to obtain a CERTIFICATION OF LIVE BIRTH sometime in 1982 on the strength of this document being FILED.
As has already been stated, "probably bigamy" wasn't the reason Sr's Visa was not renewed.
As far as we know, and probably the state of HI in 1961 was concerned, Sr. had no documentation (like a state license or marriage cert) proving he was married in Kenya already. Such a marriage, anyway, would likely have been viewed in terms of a Common Law marriage (one without state documentation). Hawaii does not recognize common law marriages. As far as they were concerned, prior to the divorce in 1964...they *were* considered legally married in HI.
Regarding Marguet-Pillado goes, as Danae has pointed out, it's not a SCOTUS decision like Minor is.
And now we are getting somewhere...the date on the article you quoted was June 10, 2009.
The Post and E-Mail article was on October 19, 2009.
The earlier item without names, just artifacts, had a background of security paper.
The ‘Blaine document’ was on a plain background...and I think I can see why...when the names were removed on the original, much of the security background detail would have been damaged.
as for his real father- you decide:
When Charlette LeFevre, who runs the Seattle Mystery Museum and who promotes walking tours of Capitol Hill found Anna Obama listed in the Seattle Polk and the Seattle Reverse Directory, she set off a chain of events that reek of panic.
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