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The "vital records" could be the Hawaii 50th anniversary of statehood declaration, or a letter from Obama requesting his birth records ... anything.

"Anything" except the State Department records which show that he was born in Kenya-which is my point.

How many people would have to be involved in a deception which can only be described as Clintonesque and maintain silence to this day? The people quoted by you, the governor who says he saw the records or whatever he says he saw,- there must be more.

It stretches credulity think we are going to convince anybody that these people are relying on this kind of verbiage in a conspiracy which is not unraveled to commit the greatest hoax in American history.

For the record, here is my post from a couple years ago to this effect and it seems the only area of disagreement we have is whether Dr. Fukimo could have truthfully uttered her statements if she had seen the document the present thread is discussing:

I have seen the article posted some time ago here on Free Republic: Clearing the Smoke on Obama’s Eligibility: An Intelligence Investigator’s June 10 Report ( http://www.freerepublic.com/focus/f-news/2303258/posts) which makes it clear that his mother, or even his grandparents, could have secured a birth certificate merely on the filing of an affidavit or perhaps even only an application. Evidently, his mother could have presented a drivers license which she evidently had or even as little as a telephone bill to show proof of residency, simply averring that her son was born there in Hawaii, and she would have received a Hawaiian birth certificate. The article cited goes on to describe three other methods by which a fraudulent certificate for Barack Obama could have been obtained in 1961 in Hawaii.

More, the author continues to the effect that Stanley Ann Obama would have been motivated to do so because her son was not entitled to citizenship under the existing statute if he were born abroad with only one parent a citizen who had not lived five years after the age of 14 in America.

Therefore, it is possible that when Doctor Fukino examined the "vital records" she saw an application or affidavit that said that the baby was born in Hawaii and she saw the Birth Certificate that was issued as a result which would also show birth in Hawaii. She saw nothing indicating a foreign birth in the file and therefore she could quite properly say that the vital records show birth in Hawaii. Indeed, to say anything else would be to venture a fact which appeared nowhere in the record.

While I take issue with your well reasoned and articulate perspective on the motivations of Doctor Fukino-I come to exactly the opposite conclusions-I am compelled to agree that there is still plenty of room to maintain that, in the absence of the original birth certificate and supporting documents, if any, the matter remains open. That is not to say that the probabilities are for a foreign birth, merely that it is not illogical to maintain that a foreign birth is quite consistent with the facts as we know them, the Certification of Live Birth, the procedures and regulations in place in Hawaii in 1961, and two statements of Doctor Fukino.

I think we probably both can agree that we will find nothing in the file which shows foreign birth. We might also find nothing in the file apart from the Obama family's self serving declarations which show a domestic birth-and perhaps not even such declarations. That would leave the ball where it is but that is a defeat for us. We have the burden to move it across the goal line. Even if the original birth certificate were released and it was revealed that it was based on family affidavits, we lose. We need extrinsic evidence of foreign birth.

You happened to hit on the key here.

The plan is not Obamas but Clintons. He has been the architect all along. Go through the Obama associates,
they’re all old Clinton people. The Obama plan is just
the Clinton plan continued, although there’s been a
falling out - marked when Greg Craig left the WH.

And Bill had his string to the Kremlin.

“It stretches credulity think we are going to convince anybody that these people are relying on this kind of verbiage in a conspiracy which is not unraveled to commit the greatest hoax in American history.”

You obviously don’t know Hawaii.

It’s a small set of islands where everyone in government knows each other. The police often won’t enforce laws because the culprits are relatives. The society has adopted a native vs. haole attitude.

Nepotism, cronyism are standard in Hawaii.

Looking the other way or remaining mum are expected responses when it involves an allegation against a brother or native. And native need not be natural native, only someone recognized as a ‘brah’. Obama is a ‘brah’.

“...in a conspiracy which is not unraveled”

Your observations about conspiracy are spot on....sometimes it is useful however, to distinguish between “conspiracy” and “confluence of interest”.

With the latter...a multiplicity of interests so benefit from the general “trend” that no significant opposition can be organized. In this case the net accrual of power to DC can buy a lot of “lack of interest” in disturbing the status quo.

Obama has been the best thing for DC since the New Deal. For those still believing in a two-party system which represents the interests of the various 50 United States on Capitol Hill...it is hard to see this.

For those who finally can admit that the two-parties entangled in Federal Gov’mt are DC and Flyover Country, this situation of convenient silence or ignoring the facts at hand, and even deliberately denying “standing” to question things at hand in Federal Courts is more understandable.

the governor who says he saw the records or whatever he says he saw,- there must be more.

Nothing Gov. Pothead says should ever be believed. Remember, 1) he's the only one on the planet who claims Ann and Sr. were ever seen together, 2) that he was there (wherever "there" was it certainly wasn't with Granny Sarah who claims the same) when the bouncing bundle of joy was born and 3) he also said at first that there was no BC but then flip flopped with it might have been written somewhere in the archive building (which shouldn't house BCs).

"Anything" except the State Department records which show that he was born in Kenya-which is my point.

Sorry, but that's not inherently true. The statements only make an affirmative, but vague declaration. There's nothing to indicate that they are comprehensively referencing ALL records that are on file and/or that the records all contain the same information. Remember, I said they changed the verbiage. This means the actual birth certificate could say born in Kenya, while the "vital records" and "original records" could claim birth in Hawaii.

How many people would have to be involved in a deception which can only be described as Clintonesque and maintain silence to this day? The people quoted by you, the governor who says he saw the records or whatever he says he saw,- there must be more.

We know that both Governor Lingle and Governor Abercrombie have lied. The latter said something was "written down" in the archives, except that the state archives contain no records newer than 75 years old. Unless Obama is a vampire, there's nothing written down in the state archives ... at least not an official birth record. As for how many other people are involved, it doesn't have to be very many at all; the directors of health and the attorney general. There are only a handful of people who have direct access to the inspection of these records, so no one else would need to be involved except by unwittingly repeating the false claims of these officials.